MLB 12 The Show Reveal Trailer

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by jd369

Im not sure what you are talking about. Realistic mechanics and movements should be at the core of the gameplay. The players on the field are the focus of the game. A lot of people care about rain, COW and online HR derby. I care about the realism of actual gameplay which up until last year was not very realistic.

I hear you, while I don't think swing mechanisms/follow throughs as in just making them *look* realistic is as important is having them affect gameplay in meaningful ways (like in introducing contact swing and adding suitable animation for it), it would make the game look more realistic. And seeing good dynamic swings both in game and in real life is a thing of treat.

However, I don't appreciate the same people coming in and repeat the same stuff over and over in all the picture/movie threads. I think the points have been raised enough times that people are aware that it's the area where things can improve. Soon or later, we *will* have opportunities to discuss wishlist/feedback items. OS and SCEA very nicely provide those opportunities.

I think what makes people (at least me) get tired of this type of discussion is that, the same people tend to make all those threads "my wish not realized in this iteration of franchise, man it sucks" type of discussion. Enough of that... Please do so in the right opportunities... they are plenty here, thankfully...

[jd369]

Quote: Originally Posted by nomo17k

I hear you, while I don't think swing mechanisms/follow throughs as in just making them *look* realistic is as important is having them affect gameplay in meaningful ways (like in introducing contact swing and adding suitable animation for it), it would make the game look more realistic. And seeing good dynamic swings both in game and in real life is a thing of treat. However, I don't appreciate the same people coming in and repeat the same stuff over and over in all the picture/movie threads. I think the points have been raised enough times that people are aware that it's the area where things can improve. Soon or later, we *will* have opportunities to discuss wishlist/feedback items. OS and SCEA very nicely provide those opportunities. I think what makes people (at least me) get tired of this type of discussion is that, the same people tend to make all those threads "my wish not realized in this iteration of franchise, man it sucks" type of discussion. Enough of that... Please do so in the right opportunities... they are plenty here, thankfully...

for me I have been asking for this ever since I started playing in 09, so 3 years now and nothing was ever improved. I take every opportunity to let them know this IS important (far more important than rain or O/L HR derby). Im not the type of person that sees 6 out of 10 things done right and only praise the 6 things while leaving the other 4 things unmentioned. With me you will have my applause for the 6, but Im also gonna let you know that you need to fix the 4. We are playing the game of baseball, which means the 9+ guys on the field are the most important thing in the game and they should look as real as possible, that hasnt been the case yet. Im holding final judgement until videos of the release day build comes out, but so far I havent been wowed by the trailers. Ive seen some cool stuff, but I have also seen some bad stuff that should have been removed after 09 (that was the first show on the ps3 if I recall correctly, or maybe it was 08?).

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by jd369

for me I have been asking for this ever since I started playing in 09, so 3 years now and nothing was ever improved. I take every opportunity to let them know this IS important (far more important than rain or O/L HR derby). Im not the type of person that sees 6 out of 10 things done right and only praise the 6 things while leaving the other 4 things unmentioned. With me you will have my applause for the 6, but Im also gonna let you know that you need to fix the 4. We are playing the game of baseball, which means the 9+ guys on the field are the most important thing in the game and they should look as real as possible, that hasnt been the case yet. Im holding final judgement until videos of the release day build comes out, but so far I havent been wowed by the trailers. Ive seen some cool stuff, but I have also seen some bad stuff that should have been removed after 09 (that was the first show on the ps3 if I recall correctly, or maybe it was 08?).

If you just want to operate only in the way you wish, then I'd guess that's your choice, but I'm just merely pointing out that some people don't appreciate reading the same things over and over. That's not constructive.

Who knows? The devs may have already gotten your message but unable to implement the thing you point out (because of miscellaneous technical complications). But the way you keep repeating the same thing (and basically diluting the effectiveness of your message) they may get annoyed to the extent that you may end up in their ignore list... Who knows if that's already the case?

I don't think that's what you want to happen. I've only used my ignore list once, but if I ever use it then it's for people who post the same thing over and over again...

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by jd369

correct mechanics and follow throughs are part of gameplay! The fact that they are wrong TAKES AWAY from gameplay

You're pretty wrong here.

The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball.

There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched.

As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

[jd369]

Quote: Originally Posted by nomo17k

If you just want to operate only in the way you wish, then I'd guess that's your choice, but I'm just merely pointing out that some people don't appreciate reading the same things over and over. That's not constructive. Who knows? The devs may have already gotten your message but unable to implement the thing you point out (because of miscellaneous technical complications). But the way you keep repeating the same thing (and basically diluting the effectiveness of your message) they may get annoyed to the extent that you may end up in their ignore list... Who knows if that's already the case? I don't think that's what you want to happen. I've only used my ignore list once, but if I ever use it then it's for people who post the same thing over and over again...

Thats your choice just like its mine to make sure core gameplay concerns are seen. They may ignore it, who knows. But I do know these guys are in business to make money, the more things they do correctly equates to the more money they make and if they are anything like me they wanna make damn sure everything is done top notch no matter who does or doesnt notice it. Now 2k has an utterly crappy game and I will not play it, but from what someone else said in this thread they do have good mechanics in their game. Ive never understood how they could do so well with the basketball games and completely fall flat on their face with baseball though. Maybe if they would get in gear they would give the show some competition lol!

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by jd369

Thats your choice just like its mine to make sure core gameplay concerns are seen. ...

Okay, I put you in my ignore list then...

I'm just letting you know if anybody are like me, then they wouldn't appreciate reading the posts with the same message over and over regardless of the thread topic.

[ericdrum]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You're pretty wrong here. The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball. There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched. As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

I agree completely. Honestly, I only know a dozen or so players signature swings and half of them are Dodgers. I would much rather have had them work on the ball physics this year then get my beloved Kemp's swing perfect. Now if SCEA could give me real ads in stadiums like in my PC version of the other game, wow I'd be in heaven. I'm constantly amazed at the things these SCEA devs get right. I'll proudly throw 60 a year at them.

[jd369]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

You're pretty wrong here. The follow through has nothing to do with the swing. It's simply a visual representation of what happens after the bat makes contact with the ball. There's nothing about the "core mechanics" at play here. When they are to animate player specific follow throughs, nothing will change except eye candy. The bat to ball physics will remain untouched. As it is right now, you're simply griping over a visual aspect of the game. I care about gameplay probably more than the next guy - having spent a good amount of time with the developer who does this I can assure you that what you're saying is not correct.

You may call it eye candy, but for me its gameplay, no matter if it doesnt effect the bat to ball physics at all (which I do get in an unrealistic way). I just wont ever be ok with this:




thats not even CLOSE and if kinsler looked like that after a swing in real life it would be on a ball in the dirt that he swung and missed at or if he made contact a dribbler back to the pitcher. In the show you get this look even on home runs, which I just cant get on board with.