NHL 12 Tuner Update v1.02 Released, Details Included

[Cardot]

Quote: Originally Posted by RealmK

Blame 2k for not putting enough resources into NHL2k to compete and keep up.

LOL, yeah this is 2K's fault. Series has been dead for 2 years, yet they are still the source of all that is wrong with video game hockey.

[RealmK]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cardot

LOL, yeah this is 2K's fault. Series has been dead for 2 years, yet they are still the source of all that is wrong with video game hockey.

LOL way to troll and twist what I said around. Grude much Cardot?

[MizzouRah]

Quote: Originally Posted by Steven547

If anything, it's just an "update" to the previous update. It's more like 1.02a.

Maybe I didn't see 1.02 before?

[bukktown]

Quote: Originally Posted by wEEman33

Sloppiness is the number one thing missing from the gameplay. It's way too easy to skate around and deke in full control of the puck like it's glued to your stick. Most passes are perfectly received. Most checks don't even knock the puck loose. Skaters just go into that stupid "bump" animation while still retaining full control of the puck. Then there is the ridiculously effective stick lift that never results in penalties. And a gimped poke check that takes like 3 or 4 successful pokes to finally dislodge the puck. A "hardcore" setting with increased sloppiness would make the game so much better.

I basically said the same thing as you earlier in this thread except for the stick lift. I find it ridiculously under-effective. My reasoning for that belief is that you can have a puck carrier skate blueline to blueline with a defender right next to him. The defender can lift his stick repeatedly, maybe 8-12 times in that time span, without the puck carrier losing possession. The puck carriers stick goes up for .5 sec then right back down to the puck.

I think it is odd that we can see eye-to-eye on 90% of the gameplay but are total opposites on this.

[Splitter77]

Quote: Originally Posted by wEEman33

Sloppiness is the number one thing missing from the gameplay. It's way too easy to skate around and deke in full control of the puck like it's glued to your stick. Most passes are perfectly received. Most checks don't even knock the puck loose. Skaters just go into that stupid "bump" animation while still retaining full control of the puck. Then there is the ridiculously effective stick lift that never results in penalties. And a gimped poke check that takes like 3 or 4 successful pokes to finally dislodge the puck. A "hardcore" setting with increased sloppiness would make the game so much better.

agreed on that. i like the game, but its too non-stop. I think i played a periods yesterday with only 3 stoppages in play. Thats rediculous.
There is no offsides, no missed passes, no goalies covering the puck, and the puck rarely deflcects out of play.

[speels]

Here's the problem with increasing the "sloppiness" of the NHL games. 90% of people would not enjoy it. This game is produced to make EA money, not to make people feel as if they can live out their lifelong dreams of playing in the NHL.

A soppy game where I am chasing the puck around and can't do anything I want with it would appeal to maybe 10% of the gaming population. Everybody talks about how they want sports games to be "SIM", but yet they never complain, nor would it make business sense, that when I play Call of Duty, I have to get shot 5 times before I die. No, truth is, I get shot once, go to the hospital, get bandaged up, rehab, and then maybe get sent back into battle. How many shooter games would sell if that is how they were made. The double standard people have for sports video games astounds me.

Sports games are designed to keep people interested for however long they choose to play. I am pretty sure that if the puck was bouncing all over the place people would get tired of not being able to do dekes like the pros do. And as for online getting all the attention, well yea, it makes more money than the freakin sales of the games. Name one major series that doesn't cater to online. Shooter game always add new quests or levels, because people pay for them.

EA has one job and tht is to make money. I am pretty sure, although it's just my opinion, that the reason we have no EA developers left on this website is because they really got tired of listening to less than 1% of the people that buy their game complaining that they don't know hockey and hate fans of the game.

Until people realize that they do things that the majority of fans want, then these types of threads are always going to happen. I enjoy the NHL series a lot and there are some things that tick me off, but I figure if I really wanted to live my life and make it to the NHL then I should have tried harder as a kid and not tried to live my life vicariously through a video game.

Sorry for the rant, just having a bad day at work.

[tofubrain2]

one of the better " takes " i've read. good stuff man

[Money99]

Quote: Originally Posted by speels

Here's the problem with increasing the "sloppiness" of the NHL games. 90% of people would not enjoy it. This game is produced to make EA money, not to make people feel as if they can live out their lifelong dreams of playing in the NHL. A soppy game where I am chasing the puck around and can't do anything I want with it would appeal to maybe 10% of the gaming population. Everybody talks about how they want sports games to be "SIM", but yet they never complain, nor would it make business sense, that when I play Call of Duty, I have to get shot 5 times before I die. No, truth is, I get shot once, go to the hospital, get bandaged up, rehab, and then maybe get sent back into battle. How many shooter games would sell if that is how they were made. The double standard people have for sports video games astounds me. Sports games are designed to keep people interested for however long they choose to play. I am pretty sure that if the puck was bouncing all over the place people would get tired of not being able to do dekes like the pros do. And as for online getting all the attention, well yea, it makes more money than the freakin sales of the games. Name one major series that doesn't cater to online. Shooter game always add new quests or levels, because people pay for them. EA has one job and tht is to make money. I am pretty sure, although it's just my opinion, that the reason we have no EA developers left on this website is because they really got tired of listening to less than 1% of the people that buy their game complaining that they don't know hockey and hate fans of the game. Until people realize that they do things that the majority of fans want, then these types of threads are always going to happen. I enjoy the NHL series a lot and there are some things that tick me off, but I figure if I really wanted to live my life and make it to the NHL then I should have tried harder as a kid and not tried to live my life vicariously through a video game. Sorry for the rant, just having a bad day at work.

At the same time, NBA2k11 was one of the best selling basketball games of all time.
It outsold every single game (sports, or non sports) in the month of March this year. This is 6-months AFTER release.
The NBA2K series is hardcore. There's no other way to describe it. From presentation, to commentary to graphics, to depth to controls, it's incredibly deep and takes a lot of time to really learn and absorb it.
I know nothing about basketball and I can't stop playing this game.
Some won't believe this, but I loathed basketball a couple of years ago. I warmed to the sport (because of my kids activity) and now I own an NBA video game. Why? Because of how hardcore it is.

This game is far from easy to play and yet it outsells the NHL by a country mile. Heck, it outsells MLB as well and has numbers comparable to Madden.
That's not bad for a sport that's not nearly as popular as MLB or the NFL.

What that tells me is that if you build a truly great representation of the sport, sports gamers will buy it.
I know a lot of people who couldn't care less about soccer that bought Fifa.

And if you recall, NHL2K outsold EA for many years on last-gen and their games featured a lot more sloppy play.

The greatest gift, and curse, EA gave us was the skill stick. It's great fun, but the problem is everyone thinks they should be able to stickhandle up to their ability with the controls, and not the player they're controlling.
So the minute Billy loses the puck when trying a behind-the back, triple-deke with Colton Orr he rages on EA's forums. And what does EA do? They tune the game and dumb it completely down.
And EA knows they have to adhere to Billy because it's not adults like you or I that spend money on upgrades. It's a 12-year-old with unlimited access to Mommy's purse. And those kids are way more vocal than the hardcore or mature gamer.