NBA 2K12 Developer Insight #9 - Defense

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by fatleg3

Um yea its not like off ball players just stand around and watch what is going on. They still have to stay with their defenders and play d.

Let's be honest here. Off ball "cheesers" do not play off ball defense the way one really would. They take advantage of the AI off ball offensive player's lack of aggressiveness and the movement freedom to play off in an unrealistic manner to double the ball and take away passing lanes in an unrealistic manner. As coolcras7 alluded to: some pick the defender of the worse offensive player and turn him into a free "extra" defender. Others play off ball as a crutch because they feel it's too hard to play on ball. The latter is understandable and that is the crowd that is being "rewarded" for playing the harder roll. There isn't much you can do about the ones that cheese except tighten up the loose ends in game play (movement, passing lanes, offensive intelligence, etc...). But at least you can make it more rewarding for the other folks.

[fatleg3]

Quote: Originally Posted by NastyWordz

That is true but it is much more engaging to play D on ball where your main focus is to deny penetration. The added boost just balances everything out, the A.I reacts much faster, when playing online it is immediately obvious if your playing an a player who only plays offball.

Yea i had a problem with it until the dev came in and explained how it balance everything out

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Let's be honest here. Off ball "cheesers" do not play off ball defense the way one really would. They take advantage of the AI off ball offensive player's lack of aggressiveness and the movement freedom to play off in an unrealistic manner to double the ball and take away passing lanes in an unrealistic manner. As coolcras7 alluded to: some pick the defender of the worse offensive player and turn him into a free "extra" defender. Others play off ball as a crutch because they feel it's too hard to play on ball. The latter is understandable and that is the crowd that is being "rewarded" for playing the harder roll. There isn't much you can do about the ones that cheese except tighten up the loose ends in game play (movement, passing lanes, offensive intelligence, etc...). But at least you can make it more rewarding for the other folks.

I get where you coming from but and i agree that some use it to cheese. But when i play off ball its not to cheese. I play legit offball d. I responded to EarvGotti because he was making it seem like everyone who plays offball dont want to play d which is not the case. I play offball with d12 because he is my favorite player. To me it is so fun for me to come across the paint on help d, and send someones ball back to them.

[thugnificant]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

The auto-contest doesn't really rely on user input if I'm reading it correctly. I hope I am wrong. So much thought put into defense this year and it's automated.

its the same in 2k11. is you change to right stick defense and press UP just as the offensive shot animation begins you will put one hand up. same with if you hold INtense D and move towards offensive player at same time he attempts jumper

[thugnificant]

Quote: Originally Posted by fatleg3

Um yea its not like off ball players just stand around and watch what is going on. They still have to stay with their defenders and play d.

no just stand by their defenders actually. look at the scrubs in 2k11 that guard the PG. pass to the PG and they switch to a big in the paint, once PG passes they switch back. FINALLY 2k gives advantage to on ball defenders

[thugnificant]

Quote: Originally Posted by fatleg3

Yea i had a problem with it until the dev came in and explained how it balance everything out I get where you coming from but and i agree that some use it to cheese. But when i play off ball its not to cheese. I play legit offball d. I responded to EarvGotti because he was making it seem like everyone who plays offball dont want to play d which is not the case. I play offball with d12 because he is my favorite player. To me it is so fun for me to come across the paint on help d, and send someones ball back to them.

so you will leave shooting bigs open to get blocks? you are canceling dwights ratings anways by controlling him

[NastyWordz]

Quote: Originally Posted by fatleg3

Yea i had a problem with it until the dev came in and explained how it balance everything out I get where you coming from but and i agree that some use it to cheese. But when i play off ball its not to cheese. I play legit offball d. I responded to EarvGotti because he was making it seem like everyone who plays offball dont want to play d which is not the case. I play offball with d12 because he is my favorite player. To me it is so fun for me to come across the paint on help d, and send someones ball back to them.

I get what your saying but it is much harder to play on ball D so the player should get a little reward for it, that could be my opinion but still. Also when you do help D on a offensive player who has the ball and block someone doesnt that count as on ball D?

[fatleg3]

Quote: Originally Posted by coolcras7

That is not necessary the case, I have played enough people who play offball and just guard the least offensive capable player all game, I can understand playing offball if you you feel your cant adequately defend a overpowering offensive player but hopefully we wont be put in this situation in 2k12.

Im by no means saying some dont use offball to cheese or dont use it for a legit reason. He was saying that offball players play offball because they dont like playing d which is not the case. This is why i was annoyed at first about the whole onball/offball thing before it was explained. All offball users are being grouped into the same category as players who dont like to play d, exploits the ai, or cheeses

[Sam Marlowe]

No one, and I mean NO ONE, is arguing in favor of cheese when it comes to playing off ball. If the meat of your argument has to do with handling those kinds of players then you've got yourself a nice little straw man to beat up. Have fun.
I know guys who can use the contact animation on ball to get steals 90% of the time no matter what the ball handler's ratings are. Would it make sense to claim that on ball defense is for cowards just because some guys choose to abuse flaws in the game? Theres a good number of variables that come into play. It looks as if many of the flaws that forced you to play off ball have been addressed. In any case, a man can play off ball and excecute in a perfectly fine, non-cheeser (sim if you like) abusing manner. The game can and will look like it does on TV.