Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Yukon46]

Wow this thread has really turned into a mumble jumbled mix of mess.

So many points and counter points, from one thing to the next, all because a Senior Producer apparently got himself a better gig ! Good For you Phil !

And one key topic always brought up, is how much better it all was in Last Gen .....and when I hear that, all I think is....

How in the world did they do that back then, without all of the "advice" and input everyone thinks they need to give nowadays !?!

And with the above bold comment, I can almost take that to seem like we the users have hurt the Game, more than we helped it !
If we were so happy with the game back then (without our input), and now when we seem to think we have the most input, we hate the end product.

It will always be a game...no matter what arguments you try to make for or against it, what it is or what it should be.......it is always a video game.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by LiquorLogic

Am I the only one who gets annoyed when people, who have programming experience, turn up their noses at people who don't ? It's as if you think people need experience in software development to figure out that if a game ran better and did more things, on a inferior platform, then something is wrong with the engine, or people developing a game on that engine. It's funny how people only reveal their programming experience when they want to tell another person that they don't no what they're talking about. Rarely do these people use their programming, software development, or whatever, to provide insight as to why Madden is years behind where it should be.

You missed the point. But that is not surprising. Nor is it that you got defensive. Your intentions have always but quite clear.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scottdau

Constructive criticism is fine with me, but attacking devs and bitching and complaining is taking it to far. Especially when no one is forcing you to buy the game.

Agreed, but I think there is far, far less of the attacking posts than most people perceive. And if those that more on the pro side of Madden are honest with themselves, and look at things objectively, they'd probably see that they often lump all criticism into the personal attacking, agenda post pot.

[Scottdau]

Well I would say a lot of people that got to play it at E3 had a great time playing it and this this was an alpha version. I am going to go out on a limb and say when I play Madden 12 this year I will have more WOW moments that WTF moments. And to be honest that is all I really care about in a video game.

[Scottdau]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Agreed, but I think there is far, far less of the attacking posts than most people perceive. And if those that more on the pro side of Madden are honest with themselves, and look at things objectively, they'd probably see that they often lump all criticism into the personal attacking, agenda post pot.

Look at it like this. When we see people come in here with agendas and then someone comes in here with constructive criticism. Those two things will look a lot like the same thing, especially when that is all we see. In a way those people wrecked it for you guys.

[bkrich83]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Agreed, but I think there is far, far less of the attacking posts than most people perceive. And if those that more on the pro side of Madden are honest with themselves, and look at things objectively, they'd probably see that they often lump all criticism into the personal attacking, agenda post pot.

I disagree. I am not pro Madden or the opposite. But too many people use the "I only want to improve the game" shield when it's quite obvious what their motives are.

[GiantBlue76]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

Agreed, but I think there is far, far less of the attacking posts than most people perceive. And if those that more on the pro side of Madden are honest with themselves, and look at things objectively, they'd probably see that they often lump all criticism into the personal attacking, agenda post pot.

This agenda nonsense needs to stop. No one has an AGENDA. That is ridiculous. We are not 12. Is someone trying to organize a protest outside of Tiburon or something? Give me a break. The posts are made because people want the game to be good. If anything, I see more "agenda" coming from the guys who blindly defend the game. Blindly defending or blindly criticizing is all the same in my book. How about being a realist and calling it like you see it? I'll admit, I'm a harsh critic of madden and the dev team. I am also someone who is the first to give them major kudos when they get something right. I want Madden to be the greatest football game ever made. If that's an agenda, then I guess I have one. This is a discussion board, it generates good discussion and gives people a broad perspective on things.

One thing I do agree on is personal attacks. Those are unacceptable. These guys have lives and are people doing their job. It's fine to say they do not do their job all that well if that's how you feel, but name calling and other slurs is something I think we can all do without.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Scottdau

Well I would say a lot of people that got to play it at E3 had a great time playing it and this this was an alpha version. I am going to go out on a limb and say when I play Madden 12 this year I will have more WOW moments that WTF moments. And to be honest that is all I really care about in a video game.

I hear you and I hope you enjoy the game.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but just because I talk about issues with the game, doesn't mean I'm anti Madden or anti EA. I love the Giants, Knicks, and Mets, but if they do a trade or something that I don't agree with, or if there are moves that I feel they should make to get better, then when I talk to other Giants/Knicks/Mets fans, I will talk about those things, whether in person, or on a forum. I don't do so thinking that Jerry Reese or Walsh or Coughlin, or who ever is going to see my post and do what I suggested. I just enjoy the conversation.

The same goes for Madden.