Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time.

A few low level people no, but two top officials leaving, yes it is at any corporation.

[adfletch71]

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

Production and Design are different roles... Josh and Mike are both designers. I am also a designer, and I'll say it straight out; I would not want Phil's job. It's a whole lot of schedules and meetings and spreadsheets and way too much business for me. I want to get my hands dirty... I want to watch my designs become reality in game. To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden. If you'd told me six months ago that Ian and Phil (the two people most instramental in bringing me here) would be gone by the time I finished my first contract, I don't think I'd have come... but I just signed my extention, and I'm going to stay, because I believe in where Cam is taking us. I'm nervous, because now I'm here without any of the people who brought me here, but I'm going to be working my *** off to prove myself.

I hope also, u already know what the community have been asking for years now. He said he's a sim gamer, so I'm holding him too his word for the direction of Madden in the future. Surpass NFL2k5 presentation and ALLPRO2k8 gameplay and Madden will be the game.

[canes21]

Quote: Originally Posted by adfletch71

I hope also, u already know what the community have been asking for years now. He said he's a sim gamer, so I'm holding him too his word for the direction of Madden in the future. Surpass NFL2k5 presentation and ALLPRO2k8 gameplay and Madden will be the game.

Their presentation looks better than 2k5, it just doesn't sound better. I think too many people have memories of 2k5 and they always think of the game better than it really was. I know I do all the time. I'll have a thought to play it, then I actually will and it won't be nearly as good as I remember.

As for gameplay surpassing 2k8. That is all opinion based. Some people may have always like Madden's gameplay over 2k's and vice-versa. I always preferred 2k's gameplay, but I think Madden is catching up quickly. Both games have their problems, but Madden's are slowly going away. My biggest problem with EA's games were suction and the lack of defense. Those are addressed so I will not be surprised if I like the gameplay this year a lot more than 2k8. 2k8 had a lot of problems too with its gameplay that Madden did better, and maybe even more than it did better than Madden.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Broncos86

This, coming from Adembroski, is good to hear and should be enough for this community to chill out.

I'm already plenty chilled lol, but even if I wasn't, no disrespect, but an EA/Tiburon employee saying that everything is ok with EA/Tiburon and Madden is really the only thing that said employee would ever say, regardless.

Not saying that everything isn't ok, but if it wasn't, I have a very hard time believing that they would actually tell us that the sky is falling.

Just saying.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by canes21

Their presentation looks better than 2k5, it just doesn't sound better. I think too many people have memories of 2k5 and they always think of the game better than it really was. I know I do all the time. I'll have a thought to play it, then I actually will and it won't be nearly as good as I remember. As for gameplay surpassing 2k8. That is all opinion based. Some people may have always like Madden's gameplay over 2k's and vice-versa. I always preferred 2k's gameplay, but I think Madden is catching up quickly. Both games have their problems, but Madden's are slowly going away. My biggest problem with EA's games were suction and the lack of defense. Those are addressed so I will not be surprised if I like the gameplay this year a lot more than 2k8. 2k8 had a lot of problems too with its gameplay that Madden did better, and maybe even more than it did better than Madden.

The first part is all opinion based as well though. I happen to think that 2K5 presentation is still better.

I like the presentation improvements in 12, but they would do themselves a huge favor if they didn't cover up all those shiny new presentation aspects, that they plunked a huge chunk of change on, with the play call screen.

I really can't understand why they continue to do this. Might as well not spend the money if you can't even see where it went.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

A few low level people no, but two top officials leaving, yes it is at any corporation.

I'm not sure you read my whole post?

I mentioned that I equate Ian and Phi as managers and directors in a large size company. To me, this isn't Peter Moore or the CFO jumping ship.

Keeping it simple. A company like Miller Brewery with 5,000 or 2,000 employees. Let's say a Manager of IT leaves and then 6 weeks later the Director of IT leaves. It might be big news to that department and connecting departments, but it won't make the Front Page headlines in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel business section.

That's my point.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I'm not sure you read my whole post? I mentioned that I equate Ian and Phi as managers and directors in a large size company. To me, this isn't Peter Moore or the CFO jumping ship. Keeping it simple. A company like Miller Brewery with 5,000 or 2,000 employees. Let's say a Manager of IT leaves and then 6 weeks later the Director of IT leaves. It might be big news to that department and connecting departments, but it won't make the Front Page headlines in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel business section. That's my point.

For what it's worth, I know what you are saying lol.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Keeping it simple. A company like Miller Brewery with 5,000 or 2,000 employees. Let's say a Manager of IT leaves and then 6 weeks later the Director of IT leaves. It might be big news to that department and connecting departments, but it won't make the Front Page headlines in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel business section.

I read your whole post. I disagree with it.

It is big new if Miller has exclusive rights over Light Beer and Miller Light is the most successful beer product in the US, and the two mentioned are the driving force behind that nationally successful light beer product. It's national news. You're trying to compare things that are completely out of perspective, or comparing apples and oranges. You have to change your Miller example QUITE a bit to make it comparable to Ian and Phil leaving. Bad comparison.

A better example would be if the two highest Defense Aircraft designers left Lockheed at the same time while designing and building the next future high tech fighter aircraft. That's a better comparison. Sure they're not CEO's of Lockheed, but it still is MAJOR news.