New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[mattbooty]

Quote: Originally Posted by kevj349

I think these forums should just be for improving the game. People who want to argue over price and market politics should find a forum meant for that. I'm not saying don't complain because we need voices to be heard, but I come here, as do most, to talk about the game, not unbased opinions on what market value is for things in the game. I'm so tired of the "what if" posts where we are heading down a "slippery slope". Come on I go to college and deliver pizza as my job and I can afford a $60 +/- a few without getting worked up. Everyone is making it sound like this is the only purchase we can afford and it is either putting food on the table or dlc. Just come on.

This is a thread created by OS specifically to discuss how some new features will not be free in NCAA 12, what else should we be discussing in this thread? If you don't want to be part of this particular discussion this thread isn't for you, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it within the confines of this thread. I'm not trying to be a jerk please don't take it that way.

I personally am enjoying this discussion. I feel no ill will towards those who do not share my view in this thread, and as far as I can tell it hasn't turned nasty in any way, its just a healthy discussion.

[kbmnm247]

Quote: Originally Posted by kevj349

I think these forums should just be for improving the game. People who want to argue over price and market politics should find a forum meant for that. I'm not saying don't complain because we need voices to be heard, but I come here, as do most, to talk about the game, not unbased opinions on what market value is for things in the game. I'm so tired of the "what if" posts where we are heading down a "slippery slope". Come on I go to college and deliver pizza as my job and I can afford a $60 +/- a few without getting worked up. Everyone is making it sound like this is the only purchase we can afford and it is either putting food on the table or dlc. Just come on.

And this is the mentality that forces it to continue and eventually get out of control. And for some, yes, they can only spend a certain amount on a game. Some are not as lucky as you and I where a few dollars might not throw them off budget but they still want a fully featured game that they paid for.

Also this thread specifically is about the price and market, if you don't like the arguing over the mentality behind these choices and the debating about whether it is fair or not and you want to talk about the game and it's options, there are many other threads on this forum to do so...

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

Because there were games played during the regular season with teams wearing said uniforms. Why do they owe you any uniforms at all? ODogg, you're obviously a mature adult if you've played Atari 2600, so how can you just be accepting all of this and what is given to you and siding with these huge power corps? Why do they owe you anything year to year? Why are you asking questions that are just going to create horrible situations in the future for gaming consumer if all of us just accept all of this as standard?

Because unlike some folks here I understand what it takes to create these games, football specifically and I'd rather see them stay around and improve then let a overblown sense of entitlement run them into a no profit zone in which they are no longer made or made as an afterthought. I've seen it happen before with other of my favorite games and don't want to see it happen again.

The DLC is a great way to keep the games profitable and give consumers choice. The bottom line here is that most of you who are against it are against it because of some scary distant reality that is highly unlikely to happen as opposed to what it's actually being used for now.

[mattbooty]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

And this is the mentality that forces it to continue and eventually get out of control. And for some, yes, they can only spend a certain amount on a game. Some are not as lucky as you and I where a few dollars might not throw them off budget but they still want a fully featured game that they paid for.

Yeah I get the impression that most people who are arguing it are not arguing that they can't AFFORD the $7, they are just against the idea that they have to. It's something they feel should have just been included for free. Its not something I agree with but I understand where they are coming from.

[kevj349]

The only thing I have a problem with is this mentality that EA is evil and trying to suck the life out of everyone. It is a good talk aside from the fact that more than half the people come up with unbased claims and are just making things up. For every valid post there are two following just making things up.

[mattbooty]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

I dislike EA Sports nickel and diming us and expanding that to different avenues of the game. I have a problem that the majority are fine with it. Pretty soon it'll be too late and I'll be saying I told ya so.

I see where you are coming from, but I really don't see this happening to that extent. I don't see any "I told you so" moment coming. Will there be more examples of DLC in the future? Absolutely. But I expect it to be more of what we are already seeing, add-ons to the base product. Obviously some people think its already gone too far, I'm not one of those and I don't expect that will happen and if it does, THEN I think you'll see sales drop off and when it proves a failure you'll see it stop.

In the meantime I'm not going to deny my own enjoyment of the game by refusing to buy an add-on I want just in case sometime down the road they start experimenting with more invasive DLC.

[kbmnm247]

Quote: Originally Posted by mattbooty

As in my previous post, I disagree that any of our money from last year's version went specifically into this year's version... It isn't like EA has a separate bank account and all the NCAA money goes in there and they say "we made $10 million off of NCAA 11 so that's how much we are spending on NCAA 12". Its totally different. They budget $XXX towards development of a game, which could shift somewhat based on the sales of the previous version, but for the most part the budget for NCAA 12 was set before NCAA 11 released. They know approximately how much they are going to make off each version before it ever comes out. I completely disagree with this whole concept that we somehow paid for NCAA 12 to get made and so we are entitled to a specific feature-set. It just doesn't work that way.

If no one in the world bought NCAA 11, I mean 0 people, do you think they'd make an NCAA 12?

If you answered yes, then your logic is fine and we did not have anything to do with NCAA 12.

If you answered no, then YES we pay for NCAA 12, and our proceeds from NCAA 12 will go towards NCAA 13 and so on and so on. The money doesn't just disappear. It pays payroll, and production, and is reinvested in next years version in some way. I figured this was common knowledge.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by kbmnm247

I don't even know what you are talking about with the bold statement. I went back and reread what you posted and what I posted in response, and then this quoted response and I still have no idea what you mean by it. What do you mean now it's more than just a $3 charge for me? I dislike EA Sports nickel and diming us and expanding that to different avenues of the game. I have a problem that the majority are fine with it. Pretty soon it'll be too late and I'll be saying I told ya so.

No, you mentioned about the license and just buying EA games used but then you need to pay $10.00 for online fee. yada, yada yada

No need to bring that subject into it when it's not on topic.