It's Ratings Season: Patrick Peterson Top Rated Madden 12 Rookie

[Bengals28]

Quote: Originally Posted by WFColonel56

overalls dont matter to me it is the specific ratings that matter PP7 got a 97 spd rating and that makes me think. Is it because of his 40 time? or is it because of how he played? First and foremost if it is because of 40 time than Julio Jones needs a 95 spd based on 40 time (it matches up with other WRs who ran the same time)... If it is because of how he looked when he played I can remember other WRs getting behind him, thus not showing 97 spd. If PP7 was 95 spd i would have no problem but once u hit 97 spd there should be nobody (figuratively) beating u in a footrace down the field As for 89 man coverage that is a slippery slope man, 86 man is something im ok with but that still is dangerous to give a DB b4 he even reaches training camp. I have seen on espn3 quite a few times where WRs have beaten him but the QB couldnt deliver the ball. if a CB comes in MADDEN as a ROOKIE with 89 man coverage that means that nobody (figuratively) in college can beat you. And thats not the case with PP from GAME FILM that is on espn 3. And last but not least 90 press. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!! as a rookie he is in the top tier of CBs in the league press wise without even playing a game..Thats all i need to say about that in that regard. ps: Julio Jones (yes i knw im name dropping) beat PPs press pretty decently, although there was 1 time in the 10 game where PP messed Jones up lol. But Jones won the majority of those press battles so if his beat press isnt at least 90 then theres a problem. --------------------------------------------------------------- But as I said the overalls dont matter to me, i just want the specific ratings to be fair and accurate. Again let me bring Julio Jones in this and compare him to AJ Green IDK who is rated higher in overall as long as the key ratings reflect who they are as a player ACC- Green bests Jones Top spd- Jones is faster Agility- Green is shiftier than Jones Jumping- Jones bests Green (and no im not intentionally doing opposites each time lol) Route running- Greens routes are crisper Catching- Green has better hands (although Jones did have a broken hand and that needs to be factored in, just dont know how) Spac catch- equal catch in traffic- Green Blocking- Jones trumps Green Juke- Green barely Stiff ARM- Julio should come in 90 in this lol, best stiffarm in the nation spin- who knows, but leaning towards green because of shiftiness Truck- Jones by far, multiple occasions of him dragging entire defenses, notably LSU..lol Carry- Equal STR- Jones Awareness- Green slightly Stamina- Dont know Injury- Green should have better Toughness- Jones, he was injured alot and played though them did I miss anything? But basically my point is to make the player feel like themselves. Green is more technical and jones is more the bruiser. Dont just rate them high because of where they were drafted or because of the NAME. I want whoever to play like they really do. I shouldnt be able to truck defenders with green. At the same time Julio should have a few drops. Jones should be a hand full in the open field because he will punish the defender and break tackles. Green should be a hand full in the open field because he is shifty and has good moves Now with CBs it is a lil different, You just have to keep in perspective that they havent proven themselves yet as fas as coverage skills. But hit power, catching, jump, and speed is stuff they is concrete. Just make sure you translate it correctly and dont inflate because of the name

Most of this is pretty good but AJ Green is definitely better in the spect. catch category. And Jones might have ran a better 40 time but Green plays faster than him as well.

[WFColonel56]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bengals28

Most of this is pretty good but AJ Green is definitely better in the spect. catch category. And Jones might have ran a better 40 time but Green plays faster than him as well.

After the draft i really decided to take a look into both WRs for a few reasons

1. JJ went to my falcons..lol
2. I have been following both since HS
3. They have been linked together since hs

So i took a look at every game available on espn3 and what I saw was that Greens burst is better but Jones top speed is faster, not bay a whole lot, but still faster. Greens quick accel makes him seem faster sice he is always executing small cuts and jukes in open space and his burst out of them is insane imo. But at top speed i still see JJ faster.

But spac catch green may have tipped the scale from his insane 1 hander



But jones does have 1 of his own

[Dbrentonbuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tengo Juego

Grabbing Julio's statistics vs LSU is not going to highlight an accurate stat for "Julio vs Peterson" as he wasn't always matched up with him, in the '08 and '09 games. But the 2010 match-up definitely was PP7 vs JJ8. And it's not as dominated by Julio as you and WFColonel seem to think. 2008 was their the first match-up, both were Freshman, and the stat line read: 2008: Alabama 27, LSU 21 Jones: 7 catches for 128 yards Peterson: 4 tackles, 1 interception 2009 was a little different 2009: Alabama 24, LSU 15 Jones: 4 catches for 102 yards, 1 TD(The TD was a 73 yard screen pass that PP7 was not matched up with Julio for) Peterson: 3 tackles, 3 pass breakups The announcer actually points out that Julio is matched up against a safety. They're both freaking stud athletes. There's no arguing that they should both be rated highly, physically. Hell, for all we know Julio is an 81OVR. Their position specific ratings are going to be subjective in discussion, though.

I saw all three of those games and my point was not that Jones dominated Peterson (but I do think he got the best in all three games). My point was that Peterson didn't dominate Jones. My point is that if Peterson is an 89 man coverage and a 90 press rating in the NFL then you would need to rate Jones in such a way that reflects the fact that he head to head he beat Peterson more times than Peterson beat him. It was just last November (6 month ago) that Jones caught 10 passes for 89 yards and a touchdown mostly against Peterson. I am not saying Jones should be rated higher. I am saying Peterson is not an 89 man and 90 press. That is crazy. Peterson should not be the highest rated rookie. He was good in college, but he didn't dominate everyone. Good thing I can change my ratings

Also, while I agree the screen pass TD was not on PP, the touchdown last year was Jones Vs. Peterson head to head. Watch this starting about 11:40
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[Tengo Juego]

I just posted the same thing, the 2010 game. Not sure why you're showing me, what I just showed you. Your definition of "beat" is questionable. Allowing a catch doesn't necessarily mean a player was "beat." Also, you make a weak point to say, "Peterson should not be rated highly" just because of 3 games against Julio Jones. Julio is no slouch. We're talking about, arguably, the best WR in this years draft. You think Charles Woodson doesn't struggle with Calvin Johnson? Or Revis with Moss or Marshall?

Peterson's position specific ratings are set to an 'above average' bar. Nothing that is too high. Not to mention, we don't know exactly how ratings can swing with progression, and DPP*.

[EHS_25]

Von Miller should be the next highest rated rookie. He is freak.. AJ Green should be higher than Julio, because julio has very inconsistent hands, and AJ is a better, more athletic receiver.

[WFColonel56]

aj prob should be the higher rated player of the two as far as WR category (route running, hands, etc). And yes he is the more gifted WR. But is he the more gifted player?
When u bring in the blocking aspect, the strength, the break tackle ability you could make arguments on Julio being higher.

[Dbrentonbuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by Tengo Juego

I just posted the same thing, the 2010 game. Not sure why you're showing me, what I just showed you. Your definition of "beat" is questionable. Allowing a catch doesn't necessarily mean a player was "beat." Also, you make a weak point to say, "Peterson should not be rated highly" just because of 3 games against Julio Jones. Julio is no slouch. We're talking about, arguably, the best WR in this years draft. You think Charles Woodson doesn't struggle with Calvin Johnson? Or Revis with Moss or Marshall? Peterson's position specific ratings are set to an 'above average' bar. Nothing that is too high. Not to mention, we don't know exactly how ratings can swing with progression, and DNPP.

Because what you posted was chopped up and didn't show the whole play. And, in this case, "beat" is not questionable in the least. PP had JJ one on one... man to man.... head to head. Jones made a move to the inside and and got separation and an easy TD. I never said PP shouldn't be rated highly. If you are going to quote me, then quote me accurately. I said that PP should not be the highest rated rookie and that he shouldn't be rated 89 man coverage or a 90 press when he has clearly been beaten numerous times man on man. To rate him 90 press would mean you would need to rate Jones a 95-97 release. I am saying those ratings are too high for both players. I am saying that an 89 man rating IS setting the bar too high for Peterson. I am using Jones as an example to say Peterson shouldn't have been the highest rated rookie because on the field, in the three meetings they have had, Jones has proved he should be rated equal or better than Peterson. I am not putting down either player. They are both good. I think they will both be decent pros. I just disagree with EA's ratings on Peterson. It sounds to me like Donny Moore fell in love with a player and over rated him a bit. To rate a guy an 89 in man coverage who has never covered an NFL WR is a little much for me, but like I said, we can change ratings so its no big deal.

[Bengals28]

Man I just wanna know the rest of the 1st rounders, usually we've known for a month by now.