FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

NO OFFENSE but anyone who has played Vick or seen him play in Action will telkl you he is the Fastest QB and that means his Rating should reflect that (they gave Hester a 100) he ran a 4.27 CJ ran a 4.24 and Combine record they should have gave it to him just like id ONLY give Barry Sanders 100 Eulsiveness as a RB , only Vick deserves that Top Speed for a QB

He is the fastest QB yes, but not the fastest player. Just because you are the fastest QB does not mean you deserve a 99 SPD. Let's say Larry Fitzgerald has the best hands. Does that mean that he should be a 99 CTH even though Jerry Rice had the best hands ever? Of course not. It is asinine to think that.

As for Devin Hester, he NEVER possessed speed worthy of a 100 rating IMO. He only ran a 4.35 at his pro day and 4.42 at the combine in 2006. He breaks big returns because of the emphasis the Bears coaching staff placed on Special Teams (and I would know because it was constantly talked about when they played my Packers) and he has great vision to read blocks and find open spaces. Speed rarely had anything to do with it outside of those two more significant attributes.

Also, Vick NEVER ran a 4.27. Show me one legitimate scouting service that had him at 4.27. NFLDS had him at a 4.33 and they have the best online sources for draft data available to the public. Oh, and for the record, Chris Johnson's 4.24 was not the fastest record time recorded at the combine. It was actually Trindon Holliday in 2010 with 4.21. When NFL.com or NFL network posts a time they post the average, not the fastest recorded time out of the 6 official times taken. They use this at NFLDS:

Note: NFLDraftScout.com uses the best verifiable 40-yard time for each player. There is no single, official 40-yard time for any player, even those who run at the Indianapolis Combine. Those players who participate in the 40 yards at the Combine actually run twice and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement). Combine data includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time. Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for getting the 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average the rest. In deference to each player, NFLDraftScout.com attempts to use the best verifiable time that seems appropriate for each player. That is the 40 time we post.

Here are the times if you like. These are from the scouting combine in Indy only, not from Pro Days:

4.21 - Trindon Holliday, (WR), LSU - 2010
4.22 - Jacoby Ford, (WR), Clemson - 2010
4.24 - Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina - 2008
4.25 - *Darrius Heyward-Bey, (WR), Maryland - 2009
4.25 - Demarcus Van ****, (CB), Miami - 2011
4.26 - Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton - 2005
4.27 - C.J. Spiller, (RB), Clemson - 2010
4.27 - Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston - 2005
4.28 - Mike Wallace, (WR), Mississippi - 2009
4.29 - Johnny Knox, (WR), Abilene Christian - 2009
4.29 - *Fabian Washington, (CB), Nebraska - 2005
4.29 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State - 2008
4.30 - Mike Thomas, (WR), Arizona - 2009
4.30 - Darrent Williams, (CB), Oklahoma State - 2005
4.30 - Yamon Figurs, (WR), Kansas State - 2007
4.31 - Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut - 2008
4.31 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami - 2001
4.31 - Tiquan Underwood, (WR), Rutgers - 2009
4.31 - Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State - 2002
4.31 - *Johnathan Joseph, (CB), South Carolina - 2006
4.31 - *Patrick Peterson, (CB), LSU - 2011
4.31 - Taylor Mays, (FS), Southern Cal - 2010
4.31 - Deon Butler, (WR), Penn State - 2009
4.31 - *Justin King, (CB), Penn State - 2008
4.31 - Edmond Gates, (WR), Abilene Christian - 2011

I strongly urge you to provide some source material to back up your arguments because it is becoming all too easy to shoot holes in them.

[TLF]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

He is the fastest QB yes, but not the fastest player. Just because you are the fastest QB does not mean you deserve a 99 SPD. Let's say Larry Fitzgerald has the best hands. Does that mean that he should be a 99 CTH even though Jerry Rice had the best hands ever? Of course not. It is asinine to think that. As for Devin Hester, he NEVER possessed speed worthy of a 100 rating IMO. He only ran a 4.35 at his pro day and 4.42 at the combine in 2006. He breaks big returns because of the emphasis the Bears coaching staff placed on Special Teams (and I would know because it was constantly talked about when they played my Packers) and he has great vision to read blocks and find open spaces. Speed rarely had anything to do with it outside of those two more significant attributes. Also, Vick NEVER ran a 4.27. Show me one legitimate scouting service that had him at 4.27. NFLDS had him at a 4.33 and they have the best online sources for draft data available to the public. Oh, and for the record, Chris Johnson's 4.24 was not the fastest record time recorded at the combine. It was actually Trindon Holliday in 2010 with 4.21. When NFL.com or NFL network posts a time they post the average, not the fastest recorded time out of the 6 official times taken. They use this at NFLDS: Note: NFLDraftScout.com uses the best verifiable 40-yard time for each player. There is no single, official 40-yard time for any player, even those who run at the Indianapolis Combine. Those players who participate in the 40 yards at the Combine actually run twice and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement). Combine data includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time. Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for getting the 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average the rest. In deference to each player, NFLDraftScout.com attempts to use the best verifiable time that seems appropriate for each player. That is the 40 time we post. Here are the times if you like. These are from the scouting combine in Indy only, not from Pro Days: 4.21 - Trindon Holliday, (WR), LSU - 2010 4.22 - Jacoby Ford, (WR), Clemson - 2010 4.24 - Chris Johnson, (RB), East Carolina - 2008 4.25 - *Darrius Heyward-Bey, (WR), Maryland - 2009 4.25 - Demarcus Van ****, (CB), Miami - 2011 4.26 - Jerome Mathis, (WR), Hampton - 2005 4.27 - C.J. Spiller, (RB), Clemson - 2010 4.27 - Stanford Routt, (CB), Houston - 2005 4.28 - Mike Wallace, (WR), Mississippi - 2009 4.29 - Johnny Knox, (WR), Abilene Christian - 2009 4.29 - *Fabian Washington, (CB), Nebraska - 2005 4.29 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, (CB), Tennessee State - 2008 4.30 - Mike Thomas, (WR), Arizona - 2009 4.30 - Darrent Williams, (CB), Oklahoma State - 2005 4.30 - Yamon Figurs, (WR), Kansas State - 2007 4.31 - Tyvon Branch, (CB), Connecticut - 2008 4.31 - Santana Moss, (WR), Miami - 2001 4.31 - Tiquan Underwood, (WR), Rutgers - 2009 4.31 - Aaron Lockett, (WR), Kansas State - 2002 4.31 - *Johnathan Joseph, (CB), South Carolina - 2006 4.31 - *Patrick Peterson, (CB), LSU - 2011 4.31 - Taylor Mays, (FS), Southern Cal - 2010 4.31 - Deon Butler, (WR), Penn State - 2009 4.31 - *Justin King, (CB), Penn State - 2008 4.31 - Edmond Gates, (WR), Abilene Christian - 2011 I strongly urge you to provide some source material to back up your arguments because it is becoming all too easy to shoot holes in them.

i said Hester ran a 4.27 if u actually pay attention when i talked about his 100 speed

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

i said Hester ran a 4.27 if u actually pay attention when i talked about his 100 speed

It is actually irrelevant although to me it seems you were still referencing Vick since your comment about Hester was in parentheses and was not the primary subject of your sentence. Alas, this is not an English class so I digress...

Hester never ran a 4.27. His best official time was a 4.35 at his pro day on March 4th, 2006. His best recorded time at Miami was 4.36 during a campus workout where he also displayed a 285lb bench press and 38 inch vertical jump. Once again, I ask you to provide clear evidence that explains otherwise from a reliable source. Don't bother looking on wikipedia.org because the information they have is also incorrect for his pre-draft measurables. On the site they list it as 4.26 even though when you click on the citation for those numbers they prompt NFLDS where it says 4.35. Perhaps an error on the part of those who created the page on wikipedia.org?

[TLF]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

It is actually irrelevant although to me it seems you were still referencing Vick since your comment about Hester was in parentheses and was not the primary subject of your sentence. Alas, this is not an English class so I digress... Hester never ran a 4.27. His best official time was a 4.35 at his pro day on March 4th, 2006. His best recorded time at Miami was 4.36 during a campus workout where he also displayed a 285lb bench press and 38 inch vertical jump. Once again, I ask you to provide clear evidence that explains otherwise from a reliable source. Don't bother looking on wikipedia.org because the information they have is also incorrect for his pre-draft measurables. On the site they list it as 4.26 even though when you click on the citation for those numbers they prompt NFLDS where it says 4.35. Perhaps an error on the part of those who created the page on wikipedia.org?

and Most of the guys you just named are Track guys of cours ethey RUN a Faster 40 they are tarined to do that in Track....

Mike Vick has that Speed that he takes off after one step and can make Huge plays with his Feet and wont be caught once given the edge on a Run

most of the guys you just named have staright line speed , Vick is one of Few who does every move he has at Full speed

they even had to tone this down because in Madden 04 they said it was unfair , but to be honest it isnt , use a QB spy and stop Bitching that your D-Linemen are too slow and get some with speed to contain him , period point Blank



thats why he deserved a 99 speed imo

[kevj349]

Hillis breaks a lot of tackles, soooo 99 break tackle

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

and Most of the guys you just named are Track guys of cours ethey RUN a Faster 40 they are tarined to do that in Track.... Mike Vick has that Speed that he takes off after one step and can make Huge plays with his Feet and wont be caught once given the edge on a Run most of the guys you just named have staright line speed , Vick is one of Few who does every move he has at Full speed they even had to tone this down because in Madden 04 they said it was unfair , but to be honest it isnt , use a QB spy and stop Bitching that your D-Linemen are too slow and get some with speed to contain him , period point Blank thats why he deserved a 99 speed imo

First of all I have seen Vick caught PLENTY of times even when given the edge. Does that mean he deserves a 99 speed? No. Secondly, if he is able to "every move he has at full speed" like you say (which is highly speculative to begin with) that is the AGI rating that controls that behavior, not the speed rating. You still have not provided any evidence of Vick being worthy of the 99 speed. Keep trying though.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by kevj349

Hillis breaks a lot of tackles, soooo 99 break tackle

Yeah and Rex Grossman made the Super Bowl in 2006 so I guess he needs a 99 accuracy

[Thinking Out Loud]

Quote: Originally Posted by TLF

and Most of the guys you just named are Track guys of cours ethey RUN a Faster 40 they are tarined to do that in Track.... Mike Vick has that Speed that he takes off after one step and can make Huge plays with his Feet and wont be caught once given the edge on a Run most of the guys you just named have staright line speed , Vick is one of Few who does every move he has at Full speed they even had to tone this down because in Madden 04 they said it was unfair , but to be honest it isnt , use a QB spy and stop Bitching that your D-Linemen are too slow and get some with speed to contain him , period point Blank thats why he deserved a 99 speed imo

I know I shouldn't even comment on this but what the heck, I am just marking time til the franchise blog comes out.

So, you honestly believe Vick deserves a 99 speed, really? TLF, WTF? LOL

That's the great thing about the internet and forums, ANYONE can say ANYTHING, including myself, even if they have no idea what they are talking about. LOL

So if Vick had a 99 speed rating, what about the other players that are as fast or faster then Vick? Should Vick be the only 99 speed in the game or there should be numerous 99 speed ratings? Also, what about the fast guys in the history of the league like Darrell Green, Willie Gaullt, Joey Galloway, Bob Hayes and Deion Sanders, they should ALL have 99 speed?