NBA Elite 11 OS Exclusive Video: Oklahoma City Thunder @ Detroit Pistons

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by lebron6_james

@reanimator, what is your opinion about Da czar post in other thread? about this: "Okay I understand your position much much better now. Thanks for breaking that down for me. I can see how you have come to that conclusion. Honestly I hope your right. The last thing we need is for elite to tank. When I hear things like they sacrificed the reality of the mechanics of jumping to enhance control though I have to think that is a directional..IE Hockey Guy inspired change. I fear the day when we elevate the control outside of the realm of reality simply to fulfill a marketing manifesto. What's next ? These are EXACTLY the types of decisions I was referring to when I said that Basketball is not Hockey... The timing of the knee bend allows the offensive player to make a proper read. It enhances the effect of pump fakes and hesitation moves... It allows people to pull up right in your grill and your still able to challenge the shot without getting an abnormal amount of blocks. Knee bends on jumping to challenge shots IRL force you to ANTICIPATE to get a block. This leads to the cat and mouse game between the offense and the defense. IF you want to block it you have to commit early which opens the way for my pumpfake to wreak havoc with your anticipation. I wouldn't expect Hockey dude to understand this and although guys love the "response" of having that control it is not based on the fundamental principals of the sport or the mechanics of how the human body works... Basketball is a game of rhythm and timing and style WITH substance. Control and power with grace and fluidity of movement. You absolutely can NOT have a simulation of the NBA experience without that. Its not one or the other. Its not control vs animation. This is not hockey.. the timing and movement is as important as the strategy. As you can see from my one example above it is indeed tied into the strategy. This is not to differ with your point because I can honestly see that. We all want a better game. My reminding them of the things that I see as important to the soul of the game is not in opposition to anyone who wishes to enjoy the game as is or to support the company." he was replying to kingpnp post about control vs animation. i believe Da_czar make a great argument about control & animation should work together not separated like we seeing in elite videos.

The cat and mouse game he refers to is more present in Elite than any other basketball game I have played, and it is a direct result of the choices we made in balancing the controls and the animations.

It may not appeal to everyone, and I can respect that, but it's there and it's a lot of fun to play.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with a marketing manefesto. He's got it backwards there. The marketing themes came as a result of the creative direction, not the other way around.

I've been in meetings with Litty where people disagree with each other about how the game should be built, and when we couldn't come to an agreement he would always go back to the question "What is it like in real life when you play basketball?".

That was always the foundation for every decision made this year, so this whole hockey thing is really a distraction and had zero impact on how the game was built.

We took the philosophies that made other EA Sports games successful (NHL, FIFA, FN) and applied them to the sport of basketball.

[eko718]

Real talk, EA might really benefit from focusing on Euroleague and cashing in on the international market. If EA made Euroleague, I'd actually buy their game in addition to 2K(unless it was complete trash). I've been playing sports games for like 20 years. I played the first Lakers vs. Celtics, and most EA basketball games after that. It seems that EA has never solved the riddle of how to make a realistic basketball game. The closest they came to me was live 96'(when D Wade was on the cover). With basketball for some reason, EA refuses to build upon good foundation. It seems when they finally start moving in the right direction(ie: Live '10), they want to reinvent the wheel again. By and large, this is not the case with their 2 more successful series Madden and NHL, which is probably why those franchises are successful(although they did lock out the competition with Madden and that exclusivity deal).

Playing these games of buying licenses and trying to lock out the competition is just bad business. EA should release exclusivity on the NFL in exchange for 2K's exclusivity on MLB. All this exclusivity BS lost consumers 2 of the most promising franchises out there... the MVP Baseball series and NFL 2K.

[sportyguyfl31]

Is it my imagination, or has the immaturity rate sky-rocketed lately? Many folks are making good points, feedback, but its annoying having to sift through all of the nonsesne posts..

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

We took the philosophies that made other EA Sports games successful (NHL, FIFA, FN) and applied them to the sport of basketball.

I respectfully disagree with you here man. But that's neither here nor there. I just think the reputations of these titles is immaterial to the discussion of Elite.

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

I really have no idea where this concern is coming from, but there are definitely fast breaks in the game. Three on two, two on one and all by yourself. I've seen them all happen.

Check out the matchups diary. There's an example of a fast break there.

[HoosierDaddy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

I respectfully disagree with you here man. But that's neither here nor there. I just think the reputations of these titles is immaterial to the discussion of Elite.

I think the point here is those titles have provided more control than any other games for their respective sport. That's the target Elite is striving for. I just hope they can balance that with realistic animations now.

[Teebone21]

Quote: Originally Posted by rEAnimator

I really have no idea where this concern is coming from, but there are definitely fast breaks in the game. Three on two, two on one and all by yourself. I've seen them all happen.

i am happy to see you backing up your product but remember the first impression is a lasting impression. Those vids from CALI put this storm in motion. Regarless you guys will always be compared to 2k in terms of realistic graphics, movements, etc etc etc. people want a game that looks and plays good especially for it to be called a simulation of the NBA. Elite is a fair attempt but since there is no demo, all people have is videos of live 10 and 2k11. This game doesnt look good compard to those vids. Gears of war is really a generic game but it looks excellent which keeps people playing. I appauld the effort sir but you dont have to defend your product on these boards. let your demo speak your words for you and silence the critics. it will always be 2k vs EA and the rivalry will be even worse when the NFL/EA agreement ends in 2012.

I am a 2k player since 2k3 but i started on live like everyone else. You guys got the $$$ and the tech but the direction seems skewed. RTP is a excellent idea but you cant excuse the specifics to focus on only that detail of the game. Live 10 was a good game , i even played a rockets/pacers series against a friend last night. todays players want atmosphere, accessories, footplanting, true to life shot forms, and sig movements / tendencies. Live 10 had a good thing going but the direction taken this year doesnt seem to emphasize the positive aspects of that game. Physics in a basketball game will be a challenge and never will look as pretty as animations but in time you guys will figure it out. Good luck i am looking foward to Elite 12

[Teebone21]

Quote: Originally Posted by sportyguyfl31

Is it my imagination, or has the immaturity rate sky-rocketed lately? Many folks are making good points, feedback, but its annoying having to sift through all of the nonsesne posts..

it gets real when theres 65 dollars at stake