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[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jano

Great post WTF. My question is if that anticipation and gather part of the anim takes away from control AND makes the game feel worse on D would you still want it in? To me it seems like the devs made this decision after testing the game both ways. And realizing that one way of doing it leads to more frustration for the user then the other. Obviously its ugly looking and completely unrealistic but if it makes for better gameplay I can see why they chose it. Maybe for the way their game works and the time they had in developing the game this was just the better option. Its not what we want to see visually thats for sure but, iif in the end when you're playing and you can defend shots or drives to the basket stress free (ie you don't feel cheated) can it be something you can tolerate? That to me is what the devs seem to be trying to accomplish this year, create a game that PLAYS frustration free. Meaning its a game where the hits it takes in looks, it makes up for in control and fairness (or balance) on both ends of the floor for the user.

Jano ... Family... This is not a control vs animation issue at its core. Its an arcade vs sim issue. They have just "rebranded" the argument.

This is the exact type of decision making I was referring to in my Basketball is not Hockey Thread. In that game with the thunder with 3:20 or so on the game clock you can see prince going up for a shot after a step back...

the user on defense initiated a hands up animation right..... Then while the offensive player was already in the air and couldn't adjust the defense was able to see the offensive player starting to shoot in the MIDDLE of his hands up animation. BOTH arms in the air and legs stiff as a board. Cancel out of that and go straight up without any hesitation.

THAT is ARCADE basketball. That is a move not based in reality but its there because someone made the decision that control is more important than reality.

Arcade has no regard for the fundamentals of the game. its real life implementation of the mechanics of defense or the physical limitations of the human body.

If the defense can perform 2 moves in the time you can only do one. that is a disadvantage to the offensive player. In essence even though you made the wrong decision on defense which IRL would have resulted in my getting a shot off your able to magically decide to challenge the shot and block it even though I made my decision before you...

Does that make sense in a simulation of basketball ? How on earth will you ever get a shot off ? How often are step back jumper smacked like that ?

Now if that is the direction then no problem just say were making a arcade basketball game. But they came on here and said they are sticking with the sim direction. In no way shape or form is that a simulation of the fundamentals of basketball defense.

[RayDog253]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

Jano ... Family... This is not a control vs animation issue at its core. Its an arcade vs sim issue. They have just "rebranded" the argument. This is the exact type of decision making I was referring to in my Basketball is not Hockey Thread. In that game with the thunder with 3:20 or so on the game clock you can see prince going up for a shot after a step back... the user on defense initiated a hands up animation right..... Then while the offensive player was already in the air and couldn't adjust the defense was able to see the offensive player starting to shoot in the MIDDLE of his hands up animation. BOTH arms in the air and legs stiff as a board. Cancel out of that and go straight up without any hesitation. THAT is ARCADE basketball. That is a move not based in reality but its there because someone made the decision that control is more important than reality. Arcade has no regard for the fundamentals of the game. its real life implementation of the mechanics of defense or the physical limitations of the human body. If the defense can perform 2 moves in the time you can only do one. that is a disadvantage to the offensive player. In essence even though you made the wrong decision on defense which IRL would have resulted in my getting a shot off your able to magically decide to challenge the shot and block it even though I made my decision before you... Does that make sense in a simulation of basketball ? How on earth will you ever get a shot off ? How often are step back jumper smacked like that ? Now if that is the direction then no problem just say were making a arcade basketball game. But they came on here and said they are sticking with the sim direction. In no way shape or form is that a simulation of the fundamentals of basketball defense.

Well actually if you watched the Fiba games Durant was smacking them all over the place. But I get your point.

I think they're definitely going to have to patch it back in if possible.

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by RayDog253

Well actually if you watched the Fiba games Durant was smacking them all over the place. But I get your point. I think they're definitely going to have to patch it back in if possible.

In my other post in another thread I said something like if you don't have a matchup advantage like size or quickness. I'm talking in general sense if all this are equal. But I see you get that. And durant smacking Iran's shots back really isn't a good example...

Just messing with you Ray. I'm done on this topic its not realistic and it give the defense an advantage, Arcade.

[23]

Durant smacking shots on guys like Rudy Fernandez has nothing to do with what was just explained.

I used to always wonder how the heck MJ beat a guy to the rack when he was right under it and dunked on him even good shot blockers... Well MJ always got up first... or beat the man to his spot and bam, the one who jumps last loses


In this game, MJ would've been blocked and sent home... Just not reality sir

Thats just an example but a clear one

[RayDog253]

Quote: Originally Posted by Da_Czar

In my other post in another thread I said something like if you don't have a matchup advantage like size or quickness. I'm talking in general sense if all this are equal. But I see you get that. And durant smacking Iran's shots back really isn't a good example... Just messing with you Ray. I'm done on this topic its not realistic and it give the defense an advantage, Arcade.

Yeah, You're right. Not a great example.

I fully understand why you don't like it.

But looking at it from their perspective, you wonder if this was the only way they could get smooth and responsive shot blocking with out the 2 man animations.

Nah.... I still don't think a gather would of affected it that much. But hey what do I know about animations and what not.

[yungflo]

Quote: Originally Posted by rangerrick012

Even w/ ESPN license commentary still seems dead, perhaps even worse than last year. Gameplay seems disjointed...IDK how to describe it. Not as free flowing as I expected when I heard 'real time physics'. And what was up w/ the non existent intensity on defense from both guys? Seemed like they were just letting each other run plays...another reason why PvP gameplay vids are always tough to judge compared to PvCPU.

Jennings was skating alot, I don't get the hand down, man down comment where john salmons was wide open for the three? this game looks impressive but still some work to be done. can't wait for the demo.

[RayDog253]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Durant smacking shots on guys like Rudy Fernandez has nothing to do with what was just explained. I used to always wonder how the heck MJ beat a guy to the rack when he was right under it and dunked on him even good shot blockers... Well MJ always got up first... or beat the man to his spot and bam, the one who jumps last loses In this game, MJ would've been blocked and sent home... Just not reality sir Thats just an example but a clear one

That vid is the perfect example.

And the whole durant thing wasn't a response to his full post or the topic in general. I fully understand what you guys are saying and I 100% agree. For what it's worth I've never liked the jumping in past lives either. Shot blockin has been broke for the longest.

[yungflo]

Quote: Originally Posted by NEW_ORLEANS

Not feeling the commentary so far.

its spot on, i think.