NBA Elite 11 Videos and Impressions From the Boost Mobile Elite 24 Event

[RayDog253]

Quote: Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy

there's no grey area. Either you represent or imitate what you see in real-life or you don't. I don't see how you can say, we're a sim game but allow players to do moves they don't do in real-life or give users the ability to pull off moves that their real-life counterparts don't attempt. Notice I said don't attempt, 90% of these players CAN probably dunk if they wanted to, but you don't see it. Pick-up games or warmups, FINE, but when the whistle blows you won't see them trying it.

Who said were going to be sim but let players do what they don't do in real Life?

And for people that don't dunk in games, I'm pretty sure they're gonna have a real low dunk rating. So I don't get what the problem is.

They all ready said they'll work on fixing the boozer problem, but your acting like they're wanting players to do it.

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by fatleg3

You are right, big man rarely dribble between there leg but just because the rarely do in real life dont mean it should rarely happen in the game. In real life if shaq wanted to try and dribble through his legs he can but he knows what most likely will happens if he does. So in the game the user should also be aware of this. You should be able to do it as many time as you like but you should lose the ball just as many times. While playing the game its like who ever you are controlling then you should have to think like that player. Should i take this shot?, can i pull off this move?, etc. To me that is sim. Playing like players play in real life. If kobe tries to back down shaq will he be able to no. But at the same time he is more then welcome to if he really wanted to. He does what he knows he can do. So in games it should also replicate that. If you want to win then you have to play like the real players play and do things you know you can do if not then you lose. Maybe the difficulty should determine things like that. On the lower difficulty you should get away with things like dunking from further away, dribbling with big man, etc. As the difficulty goes higher then you will have to play more truer to how each player plays in real life.

I will add to this. Sim is playing like your real life couterpart because its whats best not just because you have no choice.

[RayDog253]

Quote: Originally Posted by coolcras7

I don't believe I mentioned anyone dunking in my comment, there is a different in simulation a Basketball game and simulation a NBA basketball game and that is because you also have to simulate the specific players themselves, all I am saying if a player depicted in the game is able to do something that the person he was model after can't how is that a simulation.

Again, who said players are going to be able to do things they can't do in real life. You guys act like they completely scrapped ratings and tendencies.

They all ready said that the boozer thing might be fixed all ready. If not they was gonna try and do what they can. I hope it's something simple that can be tuned, if not then it could get really annoying.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm speaking on behalf of the others debating the other side of this. I know EA will have ratings tied into all of this. I'm hoping this doesn't become an issue when the game is launched. However, if you don't see it happen in real-life, don't put it in the game. It's that simple to me, others will disagree, so we'll respect each other's opinions and move on. Keep in mind, it's been confirmed these videos were an earlier build and many things have changed since then.

[rEAnimator]

Quote: Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy

there's no grey area. Either you represent or imitate what you see in real-life or you don't. I don't see how you can say, we're a sim game but allow players to do moves they don't do in real-life or give users the ability to pull off moves that their real-life counterparts don't attempt. Notice I said don't attempt, 90% of these players CAN probably dunk if they wanted to, but you don't see it. Pick-up games or warmups, FINE, but when the whistle blows you won't see them trying it.

We're a sim game, but we allow users to attempt moves that the player they are controlling wouldn't normally attempt because part of the simulation we offer is giving you complete control over that one player while the AI controls the rest of them in an attempt to mimic their real life tendencies and behaviors.

In every sim basketball game ever made you could attempt a three pointer with shaq every time up the court if you wanted to (at least as far as I know). That doesn't make the game any less sim, it just means the player isn't playing in a realistic maner.

We've extended the control you are used to with three pointer's to all dribble moves, shots, steals, alley oops...pretty much everything you can do in basketball.

Same rules as the three pointer, just applied to all aspects of the game.

I agree with your previous points about not being able to succeed where the real life player couldn't (ie the boozer dunk).

But having he ability to attempt the move and fail has been a staple in all sim games with shooting.

So why would it be any different for the other user controlled actions?

I think it's fair to disagree with our choice of controls, but I don't think it's fair to say we are not a sim game because of those choices.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm not saying I don't think it's a sim-game. I'm saying if it doesn't happen in real-life, it shouldn't be in the game. That's where we disagree. As far as shooting goes, I posted this a few pages back..

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Same could be said with dribbling. We had the debate while we were at community day about what should happen when big men dribble the ball. Yes, they obviously CAN dribble between their legs, but how often do you see it? It's either slow down the animation and decrease the success of such a move and eventually depending on pressure lose the ball or you allow them to pull off the same types of moves that PGs can do at will. Just because they CAN do it, doesn't mean it's realistic. My whole point is, how often do you see it while you're watching NBA basketball, very rarely. So the game should reflect as much. Shot attempts are a different story, you CHOOSE to take that shot. That's something that is more in your control, per say. You never see those unless it's a last second shot attempt, but when you see players who never dribble or dunk like that, it seriously adds to the unauthentic nature of a game.

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy

there's no grey area. Either you represent or imitate what you see in real-life or you don't. I don't see how you can say, we're a sim game but allow players to do moves they don't do in real-life or give users the ability to pull off moves that their real-life counterparts don't attempt. Notice I said don't attempt, 90% of these players CAN probably dunk if they wanted to, but you don't see it. Pick-up games or warmups, FINE, but when the whistle blows you won't see them trying it.

Because they give you the option which make the game less scripted. Maybe not so much in the case of Nash attempting a dunk ,but attempting awkward shoots and players losing the ball and/or taking off from to far out to complete a dunk. Stuff like this does happen and it would add to an organic feel. The problem with canned aminations is that it all starts to feels the same. Having options will make it feel fresher IMO.

[fatleg3]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jano

The attempt isn't really the unrealistic part, its the way it looks that makes it unrealistic imo. Guys shouldn't be able to do things that are physically impossible like Boozer did but attempting to do them is a whole different issue. I shouldn't be able to dunk like Boozer did in that clip because its not something he or anybody else could do irl imo. If the player wants to attempt a dunk thats fine but visually they shouldn't be doing what he did. They should take a few more steps to the basket not rocket jump to complete the dunk.

You couldn have said it any better. What should not be in the game is what people are physically unable to do. But to say that you shouldnt be able to do what a player irl wouldnt do is unrealistic is crazy. You would not see a player irl take the ball and run out of bounds on purpose so then should their be some kind of force field stopping them from doing so in the game?