NCAA's Broken Dynasty Mode -- Another reason we need a revolution

[Romeclone]

Quote: Originally Posted by b2smooth

You know I remember this time last year everybody was complaining about how players progressed too much. Now they don't progress enough and they come in with low ratings. No matter what they do people will find something to complain about. And if you think about it how many freshman per team actually start each year on average. Granted some standouts do but most don't see the field or get redshirted and don't see the field the next season either.

Well yes, to be honest it was bad last year and worse this year. At least IMHO last year even though there were way too many good players it still provided a good challenge in your non confrence games. Last year if I was playing with say Kentucky 10 years in I could schedule Bowling Green or WKU as my first non-confrence game and still have a legit opponent. This year, you can forget it. Over half the teams are utter garbage after a few years that have no business being in a college football game.

Not to mention the Madden draft classes. Last year there were too many good players but they still came in with decent skill and AWR ratings. This year, generated NCAA players will be worthless against stock Madden players that have been in the NFL for 7-12 years. So if you think that it's bad in NCAA you are correct but it will have an even worse effect in Madden.

[blkraven1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Romeclone

Well yes, to be honest it was bad last year and worse this year. At least IMHO last year even though there were way too many good players it still provided a good challenge in your non confrence games. Last year if I was playing with say Kentucky 10 years in I could schedule Bowling Green or WKU as my first non-confrence game and still have a legit opponent. This year, you can forget it. Over half the teams are utter garbage after a few years that have no business being in a college football game. Not to mention the Madden draft classes. Last year there were too many good players but they still came in with decent skill and AWR ratings. This year, generated NCAA players will be worthless against stock Madden players that have been in the NFL for 7-12 years. So if you think that it's bad in NCAA you are correct but it will have an even worse effect in Madden.

U have to remember, only the BEST players from NCAA are draft-able...and maybe only maybe 2 to 3 players in each position will be superstars...thats true to life... look at last yrs draft...how many ppl can u name other than Mark Sanchez, Brian Cushing, or maybe Orakpo, off the top of ur head, who made an instant impact in the NFL?

[mgoblue678]

Quote: Originally Posted by blkraven1

U have to remember, only the BEST players from NCAA are draft-able...and maybe only maybe 2 to 3 players in each position will be superstars...thats true to life... look at last yrs draft...how many ppl can u name other than Mark Sanchez, Brian Cushing, or maybe Orakpo, off the top of ur head, who made an instant impact in the NFL?

But this is irrelevant to the real issues most people have. Raising the 2* and 3* players a little bit would not result in a bunch of superstars. The 4* and 5* players are fine for the most part. The only issue with them is the extremely low awareness ratings for some of them and other than QB's raising awareness has very little impact on their overalls.

And yes I know you were just responding to the other guy, but I just wanted to clarify that this argument does not really apply to the main issues people have.

[Romeclone]

Quote: Originally Posted by blkraven1

U have to remember, only the BEST players from NCAA are draft-able...and maybe only maybe 2 to 3 players in each position will be superstars...thats true to life... look at last yrs draft...how many ppl can u name other than Mark Sanchez, Brian Cushing, or maybe Orakpo, off the top of ur head, who made an instant impact in the NFL?

No I agree with what you are saying 100 percent maybe I should put it this way.

This year NCAA has two rating sets. Stock NCAA players and post stock generated recruits.

The post stock generated players will have far less agility, spin, juke moves than the Stock players.

In NCAA it only takes four years to clean the game of the Stock players with legit skill position ratings. However, once they hit Madden, they will be in that game for 7-12 YEARS.

Then you will see the wave of NCAA deaf dumb and stupid players hit the NFL alongside the Stock NCAA players which won't match up with the Stock NCAA players.

So in NCAA the all is things balance out argument is fine after 4 years. But in Madden it will go on for 10 -12 years.

[Bumble14]

For those of you who actually play every game of dynasty mode, at what year did the game become completely unplayable due to low rated CPU opponent players?

I just advanced to year 3 and have yet to see the issue on the field. I don't care about sim stats or ratings, I want to know the year that you begin seeing CPU opponents all being garbage on the field. What I mean by this is when playing the no 1 team in the country, what year does your team simply roll them because they have no kicker, all wideouts are really TEs, and the qb is a 50 ovr.

Not saying issues don't exist, just I think it needs to be clariified for the non ocd gamers out there that the game isn't broken. Let them know how many solid years of dynasty can be played before the wheels come off.

[Romeclone]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

For those of you who actually play every game of dynasty mode, at what year did the game become completely unplayable due to low rated CPU opponent players? I just advanced to year 3 and have yet to see the issue on the field. I don't care about sim stats or ratings, I want to know the year that you begin seeing CPU opponents all being garbage on the field. What I mean by this is when playing the no 1 team in the country, what year does your team simply roll them because they have no kicker, all wideouts are really TEs, and the qb is a 50 ovr. Not saying issues don't exist, just I think it needs to be clariified for the non ocd gamers out there that the game isn't broken. Let them know how many solid years of dynasty can be played before the wheels come off.

You should start to see problems now to be honest depending on who you are playing with it could be minor at that point. After all the Stock players are gone in year 5 you should really see some problems and by year 10 the weaker teams are sooooo bad they are not worth playing.

And let me clarify, that the power teams in power confrences still have really good players. If you play as a power team in a power conference you should be able to play the game and enjoy it for years and years so long as you don't schedule any weak non BCS teams. If you are playing in the MAC or WAC by year five it just won't be the same type of game you were used to playng with the stock rosters. Almost no talent on those teams after year 5.

And one more thing... I have a dynasty saved in 2019 so if anyone has any questions about the roster makeup or ratings you can PM me or somthing and I would be glad to tell you what's going on. But, I can tell you, for the weaker teams... total garbage rosters. There are entire teams that don't have one player rated in the 60's. The entire teams are like 58-40.

[mgoblue678]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bumble14

For those of you who actually play every game of dynasty mode, at what year did the game become completely unplayable due to low rated CPU opponent players? I just advanced to year 3 and have yet to see the issue on the field. I don't care about sim stats or ratings, I want to know the year that you begin seeing CPU opponents all being garbage on the field. What I mean by this is when playing the no 1 team in the country, what year does your team simply roll them because they have no kicker, all wideouts are really TEs, and the qb is a 50 ovr. Not saying issues don't exist, just I think it needs to be clariified for the non ocd gamers out there that the game isn't broken. Let them know how many solid years of dynasty can be played before the wheels come off.

I think most of the people testing have said the 4th or 5th year when all the players of the default roster are gone. I don't think you would see it in the 3rd year since there are still players from the default roster.

You do bring up a point though, people who like to only play 3 or 4 years wouldn't see the issues for the most part. Personally I like to play until all my team is made up of only the players I recruited and play for a couple of years with them.

[blkraven1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Romeclone

No I agree with what you are saying 100 percent maybe I should put it this way. This year NCAA has two rating sets. Stock NCAA players and post stock generated recruits. The post stock generated players will have far less agility, spin, juke moves than the Stock players. In NCAA it only takes four years to clean the game of the Stock players with legit skill position ratings. However, once they hit Madden, they will be in that game for 7-12 YEARS. Then you will see the wave of NCAA deaf dumb and stupid players hit the NFL alongside the Stock NCAA players which won't match up with the Stock NCAA players. So in NCAA the all is things balance out argument is fine after 4 years. But in Madden it will go on for 10 -12 years.

Good point...Maybe we will only REALLY be able to tell once we get madden and see how this dynamic works...im thinking tho...most of the good players in madden are getting old...could it be that they over stocked NCAA with good players so that madden would stay with plenty of elite players before all the good ones retire? Or am i giving EA too much credit?