Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[fldash]

I didn't say it made sense. I'm telling you why it is the way it is. You all keep saying you are done arguing but you keep coming back and arguing. I don't care which camera angle you like best, whether you like Madden or BB better, or whether you piss sitting down or standing up. I'm just telling you what the devs of BB have said. And they've said they don't care about what's been done before, BB IS THIS CAMERA ANGLE. End of discussion. Buy it or don't (most likely don't for those with camera issues), but it is what it is.

The camera angle has about as much to do with a game being Sim as the title of the game... ie NOTHING. Simulation is respected through the AI and the player at the controls.

[RaiderKtulu]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

OK, but no one wants to answer my NBA 2K10 question from here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...7-post962.html. That game has multiple cameras, is it any less "sim" because of that? There are people who swear by the side cam and people who swear by the up and down cam. Is one group more "sim" than the other? That whole "sim"/realism argument gets thrown right out the window when you look at an example like that.

Different sport, different rules apply. Either cam you're still seeing everyone on the court, right? (I haven't played the game so I'm kinda guessing here). There's no real advantage either way and they're both equally realistic...or not...whichever the case may be.

With Backbreaker cam vs Madden cam, there is a distinct advantage to the Madden cam, being able to see things that the other cam (and real life) doesn't. Heck, play a game of Tetris without being able to see the next block, and you'll play differently than if you can.

[dmick4324]

Does anyone have any impressions on the crowd? Personally I wasn't that impressed. Except for the first kickoff and when my team enters I didn't really hear the crowd. I'm thinking I could be wrong and it could be 1 of 2 things, or maybe both.

1. The menu sounds were extremely loud because I pumped the volume so maybe it's my TV or the way the audio options were setup? But I'm pretty sure I didn't see a crowd volume slider in the options.

2. I was extremely focused on the action on the field and didn't notice the roars of the crowd.

I really hope it's something on my end and other people really feel the crowd. I'm a freak when it comes to crowd noise and I always think the crowds in video games can be more energetic.

[NoDakHusker]

Quote: Originally Posted by dmick4324

Does anyone have any impressions on the crowd? Personally I wasn't that impressed. Except for the first kickoff and when my team enters I didn't really hear the crowd. I'm thinking I could be wrong and it could be 1 of 2 things, or maybe both. 1. The menu sounds were extremely loud because I pumped the volume so maybe it's my TV or the way the audio options were setup? But I'm pretty sure I didn't see a crowd volume slider in the options. 2. I was extremely focused on the action on the field and didn't notice the roars of the crowd. I really hope it's something on my end and other people really feel the crowd. I'm a freak when it comes to crowd noise and I always think the crowds in video games can be more energetic.

The crowd is a little underwhelming, they could certainly be louder.

[mestevo]

Demo games are too short to get a feel for any kind of ebb and flow with the crowd I think.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by fldash

I didn't say it made sense. I'm telling you why it is the way it is. You all keep saying you are done arguing but you keep coming back and arguing. I don't care which camera angle you like best, whether you like Madden or BB better, or whether you piss sitting down or standing up. I'm just telling you what the devs of BB have said. And they've said they don't care about what's been done before, BB IS THIS CAMERA ANGLE. End of discussion. Buy it or don't (most likely don't for those with camera issues), but it is what it is. The camera angle has about as much to do with a game being Sim as the title of the game... ie NOTHING. Simulation is respected through the AI and the player at the controls.

So, wait, are you saying the developers will be closed minded when they notice they could me making more of a profit if another camera angle wasn't patched down the road?

Or are you telling people no more camera talk, get over it or live with it so people don't bring it up anymore?

[allBthere]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

The bolded part in no way answers my question on whether or not NBA 2K10 is "sim" or not because it has multiple cameras, and if people who play on one camera are more "sim" than people who play on a different one. Just because a game is designed from the ground up around a certain camera doesn't make it right or more "sim". I did see where you said that you didn't think BB's camera was any more/realistic than EA's football game, so I am not accusing you of saying that. Either way, I'm not going to "discuss" this anymore. I guess we'll see how the game sells and what the positive/negative feedback from consumers is.

you could read my earlier posts about this. One cam indeed can be more sim than another depending on what you're talking about. If you're simulating to the gamer the experience of being one man on the field - the 3rd person gears style does that better than a zoomed out view where you can see the whole field.

If this is what you're trying to simulate, this is the best camera to do that.

[fldash]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

So, wait, are you saying the developers will be closed minded when they notice they could me making more of a profit if another camera angle wasn't patched down the road? Or are you telling people no more camera talk, get over it or live with it so people don't bring it up anymore?

You can bring it up all you want, but the developers aren't interested in making a Madden clone. They intentionally want you 'down on the field' so to speak. It's been hashed over and over in Dev diaries and on the forums. Just don't act like they are ruining YOUR game because they won't give you an option. It's their game, and I'd put money that it stays this way through at least the first two games in the series (BB and BB2).