Backbreaker Demo Available, Post Your Impressions Here

[catcatch22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Illustrator76

OK, but no one wants to answer my NBA 2K10 question from here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...7-post962.html. That game has multiple cameras, is it any less "sim" because of that? There are people who swear by the side cam and people who swear by the up and down cam. Is one group more "sim" than the other? That whole "sim"/realism argument gets thrown right out the window when you look at an example like that.

The difference there is it's an NBA game that is officially licensed to represent NBA basketball. Whether it is sim or not their only job is to give the sensation of playing NBA basketball.

Backbreaker is not the NFL and is it's own game and can try something deeper and much more in depth than what 2k and EA could do.

Let's be honest here those games are at a point where they will never change their engine or take any risks as they have a consumer base. They will be the same game for the next 5 years. With a couple of new features here and there never truly venturing into anything new and different for fear of losing their consumer base. They have their meal ticket if they keep the same game every year, so why change it or go more in depth now when no one is asking for them to do so.

With backbreaker they are trying to go more in depth, taking a hardcore approach since they have no brand loyalty where they have to reside with the same tried and true approach that got them there. They have an opportunity to be risky and try something new and different and go all the way with it and not do it halfheartedly like NHL 09 did with their somewhat of a behind the player cam. They are going all the way with it to really go with a much more on field approach. They want this to be there game and to go to another level.

If you can't appreciate that then I am sorry you don't understand it. It shows they are preparing for the future and not standing by old game tactics. In a few years with the 3D tech this could be a groundbreaking way to play the game and they already have a jump start on it. Not only have they implemented a technology that people have asked of these games for years but they have the balls to go out and even try the idea of being on the field of play itself. Something like this should be applauded for trying something new and forcing us to play the game in a much different way.

I am certain they have the idea of using these cams after perfecting them to make a Mass Multi Player Online Leauges with teams of players in 6 v 6 football or dare I say it 11 v 11. I know its tough now but this could lead to something much bigger.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by fldash

You can bring it up all you want, but the developers aren't interested in making a Madden clone. They intentionally want you 'down on the field' so to speak. It's been hashed over and over in Dev diaries and on the forums. Just don't act like they are ruining YOUR game because they won't give you an option. It's their game, and I'd put money that it stays this way through at least the first two games in the series (BB and BB2).

Never said a word about the other game, but it keeps coming up.

Also, there might be a possibility they add a tweak to the current camera or add another camera in an upcoming patch.

It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

[mestevo]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Never said a word about the other game, but it keeps coming up. Also, there might be a possibility they add a tweak to the current camera or add another camera in an upcoming patch. It will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

As much as I want it myself, I think it's unlikely they'll patch in any changes to the camera. If it's not in at release they won't get most of those people back.

They've made their bed, now we all get to speak with our wallets and watch how the NPD numbers unfold.

[fldash]

Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

As much as I want it myself, I think it's unlikely they'll patch in any changes to the camera. If it's not in at release they won't get most of those people back. They've made their bed, now we all get to speak with our wallets and watch how the NPD numbers unfold.

Exactly. I'm not in complete disagreement over the camera, it could be tweaked but I don't want them to move it to the classic Madden / APF view.

[Danimal]

The camera argument has run it's course.

Let's get back to impressions and not what the devs should or shouldn't do.

[dmick4324]

Quote: Originally Posted by ndhusker90

The crowd is a little underwhelming, they could certainly be louder.

Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

Demo games are too short to get a feel for any kind of ebb and flow with the crowd I think.

Thanks for the replies guys. I agree the game is too short, 2 minute quarters, then throw in the fact that the CPU runs down the clock in the second quarter lol. There's no time for the crowd to feel the momentum of the game. Hopefully the crowd is more in my face when I buy my copy day 1 .

[Illustrator76]

Quote: Originally Posted by catcatch22

The difference there is it's an NBA game that is officially licensed to represent NBA basketball. Whether it is sim or not their only job is to give the sensation of playing NBA basketball......

That still in no way answers my question. The answer is that yes, it is still a "sim" game of basketball (or at least an attempt at it) and that the camera angle has nothing to do with how the AI calls plays, controls its players, plays defense, manages it's timeouts and so forth. There is no dancing around that, and I am very sorry for those that feel "next-gen" or the "future of football gaming" is (the gamer) taking up for being given one (and in my opinion, crappy) camera and calling it "realistic or "sim" and beleiving that we are being forced to think outside the box.

Again, Backbreaker does some things right, and we are getting nowhere with this camera discussion, so I guess I'll just agree to disagree.

EDIT: Danimal beat me to it.

[swanlee]

I'm really enjoying this game, it feels next gen football for the first time. I LOVE the camera as well. I walys hated camera angles that were to far away from the action.

Those that hate the camera I just have to ask to you want to play football or blimp mode football?

I'm glad to finally play a football game in the trenches. That is what Football is about.