Mike Wang Has Left EA Canada and the NBA Live Development Team

[Pared]

"Fix" is so relative. As long as the gamer has options it shouldn't be a concern.

These games have to appeal to a large user base. It shouldn't matter how they do that, they just need to do that.

[23]

Problem with this game though is the customization options are either lacking, dont work, or arent worth it.

For real man its getting real old

[Benicio10]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

"Fix" is so relative. As long as the gamer has options it shouldn't be a concern. These games have to appeal to a large user base. It shouldn't matter how they do that, they just need to do that.

they market their game as sim though ... i think 2K stated they make "the most realistic basketball game on the market" or something of that nature ...

MLB The Show markets their game as realistic, and they strive for default sim settings. the game isn't a HR fest out of the box ... people play 162 game seasons with default settings...

If 2K or Live are coming out saying they're making a game that appeals to the casual players first, sim players 2nd ... then come out and tell us that ... don't hide behind the sim name

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Problem with this game though is the customization options are either lacking, dont work, or arent worth it. For real man its getting real old

Agreed.

[HOLLIDAY1183]

Pared is in here spitting some MUCH NEEDED TRUTH & SENSE. I respect everyone's opinion and honest reaction, but there is WAY MORE that we DON'T know, than we do know. Like the SPECIFICS on why Mike left. Okay, "direction," & "vision" but, what specifically was the boiling point for Mike; what was it that happened that made him turn? We know NONE of this.

Also, I understand we're the ones most passionate about these games, but let's be realistic. Whoever thought EA would weigh in, or respond at all, to Wang, and on these boards, is being very unrealistic. It's great that CV has pretty much kept wood in the fire, EA needs it. A coupla guys from EA I saw earlier in the thread, even responded to him briefly.

But consider this: the vast majority of the sports gaming market DON'T KNOW WHO WANG IS, don't even know what OS is.

Bottom line- we have VERY LITTLE info into the real truth of this situation, much less it's eventual fallout. Keep in mind, Wang has a ton of credit with all of us, but also consider that 2K signs his checks now. That might not have had MUCH impact as to what was said, but you think it had any? Just a little... ? And wasn't this the guy saying that 2K's "tech was limited" just over a year ago?

Can we at least try to give this some time, wait till info starts leaking on both games? See some media, feature lists.
My initial reaction was "Well if he's saying "direction" than it must mean that Live doesn't want to be SIM".... but now as I give it more thought, really guys that coulda been just one of several or MANY factors leading to his departure.

I'm just really, really interested in seeing the early media of both games in a few months. Because I've said since right after Live dropped when they were releasing "Holiday Sneaker Packs": it's about priorities with EA, I really believe that. And this is where Wang's comment about EA's processes being "inefficient" rings true. Why in the F are you spending ANY time creating colorways for Lebrons or Kobes, when players are running out of bounds on the break? WTF are you so concerned and diligent about getting EVERY SINGLE throwback in there, when I am seeing players shooting routine layups off the top of the glass, or the same exact eurostep Manu does, being done by Haywood down low? PRIORITIES.

From my personal experience, Live 10 was the first playable one this gen, coincidentally Wang was the lead for it. Now that he's gone, Live is NOT getting my $60 unless 100% of the pre-release media looks solid and the demo is damn near perfect. I don't trust them at all.

[23]

Look man, it doesnt matter why the guy left. Thats all between him and EA

Im sure the way the news came out was something EA wanted to keep to a calm because of the line they're skating on right now but, an employee departure is really nunya. There is a book that tells you in a corporation if you dont like where the boat is going, get off and get on another boat. Its as simple as that.

I honestly dont think Live will go straight arcade next year and I dont know what to expect, but we need to wait and see. Sadly im not as hopeful but we will see.

[michaeljordanjr]

Quote: Originally Posted by 23

Look man, it doesnt matter why the guy left. Thats all between him and EA Im sure the way the news came out was something EA wanted to keep to a calm because of the line they're skating on right now but, an employee departure is really nunya. There is a book that tells you in a corporation if you dont like where the boat is going, get off and get on another boat. Its as simple as that. I honestly dont think Live will go straight arcade next year and I dont know what to expect, but we need to wait and see. Sadly im not as hopeful but we will see.

The only saving grace this franchise can have is a technological explosion of ridiculous visuals.

I'm talking about unparalleled realism visually. That's their only hope to reclaim a % of the NBA market.

[Haval93]

It's honestly funny seeing an entire board of people going crazy about whether or not Live will be heading simulation or arcade route. Yaw and the rest of the NBA Live team have assured us more than once that they will continue to go the simulation route. Why would they quit the direction they have been striving for since Live 08. With all the improvements in the series and resources they have been working on since then, you really think they would simply drop everything and say lets just make a NBA Jam port for the 360/PS3 and be done with? Now some say without Mike they have nobody there, but rest assure they still have tons of talent on the team such as Jeff Antwi, Matt Lafreniere, Novell Thomas, Ryan Santos, Garreth Reeder, and Sean O'Brien. That's a pretty stacked team and each of them have very great traits that they bring to the table. So lets give the NBA Live team the benefit of doubt that they can produce a solid basketball simulation, instead of saying that NBA Live 11 will suck because they don't have Mike.

My .02 Cents...