NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

[oOausarOo]

For my needs the only test of defense will be user vs. user online.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by lasthour

Great post. The cheesers are not feeling the defense, lol. Now they got to man up and play realistic defense. The sad part is they thought they had been playing real d, and now they refuse to adjust and instead they fuss about something that is fixed. They want it broken again. LOL.

I think what most of you guys are missing is the two different types of defense.

TEAM DEFENSE
INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE

The only defense that I see improved is INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE....

I think a lot of guys have clearly stated the TEAM DEFENSE by the HUMAN CONTROLLED PLAYERS IS BAD. They don't react or do much of anything unless you control them all game.

Now ask yourself when your playing ball in the gym and you defending your man don't you expect the other 4 guys to give an effort on the floor?

Well in Live 10 the resason why you keep seeing so many different people post about defense is because most of them as they stated are playing defense individualy but their brain dead AI teammates are screwing up most of the time.

I mean lets be real here there is NO DNA FOR DEFENDERS in this game. There is only truly one defensive rating in the entire game and that applys to the guy defending the ball 1 on 1

It's called ON BALL DEFENSE

There is no Help Defense rating for anyone so when your not controlling Ron Artest or Kobe Bryant guess what their defense is no better than Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter on their own.

Why should we have to control Ron Artest just to see him help out or shut down someone on on his own.....

IF Ron Artest is on your team and you assign him to Vince Carter shouldn't expect Ron Artest to play the same way he'd play if you were controlling him?

Well he doesn't and I've seen M.Pietrus have his way with Artest on many occassions if I don't switch over to Artest. Sure you'll get the online guys who will say well that doesn't concern me because I play all my games online.

But what about the guy who enjoys Human vs CPU Play where this problem comes into play more often?

[Bootzilla]

Quote: Originally Posted by Playmakers

I think what most of you guys are missing is the two different types of defense. TEAM DEFENSE INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE The only defense that I see improved is INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE.... I think a lot of guys have clearly stated the TEAM DEFENSE by the HUMAN CONTROLLED PLAYERS IS BAD. They don't react or do much of anything unless you control them all game. Now ask yourself when your playing ball in the gym and you defending your man don't you expect the other 4 guys to give an effort on the floor? Well in Live 10 the resason why you keep seeing so many different people post about defense is because most of them as they stated are playing defense individualy but their brain dead AI teammates are screwing up most of the time. I mean lets be real here there is NO DNA FOR DEFENDERS in this game. There is only truly one defensive rating in the entire game and that applys to the guy defending the ball 1 on 1 It's called ON BALL DEFENSE There is no Help Defense rating for anyone so when your not controlling Ron Artest or Kobe Bryant guess what their defense is no better than Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter on their own. Why should we have to control Ron Artest just to see him help out or shut down someone on on his own..... IF Ron Artest is on your team and you assign him to Vince Carter shouldn't expect Ron Artest to play the same way he'd play if you were controlling him? Well he doesn't and I've seen M.Pietrus have his way with Artest on many occassions if I don't switch over to Artest. Sure you'll get the online guys who will say well that doesn't concern me because I play all my games online. But what about the guy who enjoys Human vs CPU Play where this problem comes into play more often?

That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

[sportyguyfl31]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bootzilla

That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

I'm sure there would be..wouldnt make a dang bit of sense to take them out.

[sportyguyfl31]

I have yet to really sink my teeth into the demo, as i have been in a football wonderland.

For me, though, the number 1 thing for D is controller responsiveness.

I felt this was lacking in 09, as I would get sucked, and th unsucked, and I felt like i had little control over my contest, and if the contest adn proximity of my defender was actually effecting the shot.

What I would o in 09 is just ride the ball handler, try to force him into yello or cold zones, and take my chances.

I dont see hot or cold zones mapped out for players on the court in what little of the demo ive palyed, so im looking forward to really seeing how the mechanics and controls work for myself.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bootzilla

That's why I was wondering if all of the sliders are in the demo. Why wouldn't Contest Shot and Help Defense be available as sliders for human controlled teams? Weren't they available before? If those sliders are available as well as steals and play passing lanes all of the defensive problems people are having will be remedied.

They removed just about any defensive slider you can think of accept blocks, steals and on ball defense.

What a coincendence they leave the 3 basic fundemental sliders in the game. All 3 that pertain to the Human player when he is playing on the ball himself.

Then they dummied down the human defenders and presto it appears the cpu is more competitve now......well that's because you dummied down the human players and switching to every man is now a MUST if you want your defenders to play like the CPU defenders.

[phant030]

The problem i see is with outside shot contesting. My CPU teammates play pretty good D other wise imo.

[darrenp1518]

Quote: Originally Posted by Playmakers

I think what most of you guys are missing is the two different types of defense. TEAM DEFENSE INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE The only defense that I see improved is INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE.... I think a lot of guys have clearly stated the TEAM DEFENSE by the HUMAN CONTROLLED PLAYERS IS BAD. They don't react or do much of anything unless you control them all game. Now ask yourself when your playing ball in the gym and you defending your man don't you expect the other 4 guys to give an effort on the floor? Well in Live 10 the resason why you keep seeing so many different people post about defense is because most of them as they stated are playing defense individualy but their brain dead AI teammates are screwing up most of the time. I mean lets be real here there is NO DNA FOR DEFENDERS in this game. There is only truly one defensive rating in the entire game and that applys to the guy defending the ball 1 on 1 It's called ON BALL DEFENSE There is no Help Defense rating for anyone so when your not controlling Ron Artest or Kobe Bryant guess what their defense is no better than Rashard Lewis or Vince Carter on their own. Why should we have to control Ron Artest just to see him help out or shut down someone on on his own..... IF Ron Artest is on your team and you assign him to Vince Carter shouldn't expect Ron Artest to play the same way he'd play if you were controlling him? Well he doesn't and I've seen M.Pietrus have his way with Artest on many occassions if I don't switch over to Artest. Sure you'll get the online guys who will say well that doesn't concern me because I play all my games online. But what about the guy who enjoys Human vs CPU Play where this problem comes into play more often?

Actually there are help defense ratings and close out defense ratings for individual players!!

The problem seems to be that ea sports doesnt rate the players properly in these areas lol.

They give themselves the tools but dont finish the job off completely, but at least they do have it in so u can change it yourself.