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[dorismary]

As always great stuff Chaser I probably wont have time to pick it up but I will get the World Cup Version in summer 10 which was a even better add on during the last WC

[lunacraz]

i think fifa 09 is mad realistic, and im very excited to see what the next reincarnation is going to be. i dont get these gripes on the full press- high pressure means more open lanes in the back, and more open guys up front.

and you guys make it seem like holding the ball is one of the hardest things ever. honestly, even with the crappy control i have now, it is VERY easy to hold up a ball against one defender (does ANYONE use the shield button at all), but if you have two defenders coming after you, of course you're going to lose the ball, as it would happen in real life

again, i dont see what the big gripe is. i do make those long through passes from deep within my midfield to theirs, but thats only when theyre open. i go through the center of the midfield ALL THE TIME. you just need to be aware of where the pressure is and where it's coming, so if you have to make a pass you can one touch it, or you can turn the right way

you really can go about it both ways in the game i feel like. i've had ronaldo dribble past the whole team and score of a kickoff before. at the same time ive made sick one two plays and through balled it into the box after some good build up. ITS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PLAY and fifa 09 has been awesome

[Murkurial]

Quote: Originally Posted by southernbelle

nuckles and merkurial - only real problem with your post is high-horse approach to the rest of us... you insult the fans of the video game as being less passionate, less informed, and less experienced in football. all games have their critics. dont buy the game, which you probably won't. and i do hear what you are saying about madden. but there is a huge difference between madden and FIFA. what makes football the greatest game in the world is the free form aspect of the game as well as the creativity involved at the macro (team) and micro (player) level. why they call it the beautiful game and its players referred to as "artists." the cominbation of these factors make it a very iterative and nuanced game... more so than ANY sport out there. american football has plays, which basically means 10 seconds of action then a reset. baseball and cricket... obvious. my point is that to translate such an iterative and nuanced game into a video game requires very detailed AI code. exponentially more detailed than most sporting games, i would guess. but its what we have. i would love a true sim that allowed me to build up play, detect weaknesses, and set ups, real fatigue *which requires real managerial decisions*, and we are not even talking manager mode yet! what about form? this si huge part of real footie.... i do think that football games should not be yearly price grabs. give fifa team 2-3 years to make a great game (basically what WE did!) and give paid for roster updates and some patches. do you make it old trafford every year?

If any of my posts smacked of condescension I'll apologize for that right now.

I think you'd agree that a game that allowed build up play and detection of weaknesses actually was 08. It wasn't perfect but it was certainly headed in the direction. That game that you say you'd love to play, was already about until they kind of took it a completely different (and arcadey) extreme.

On the issue of form, I think they're actually implementing that for MM this year. But that's one of the few changes to the mode because I guess they were too busy creating practice mode and the set-piece creator, along with 360 dribbling.

As for that last part, I don't really agree with the argument that I have to actually get to the game frequently (when I live on the other side of the pond) to be considered a true fan. If that's in fact what you mean't, excuse me for jumping the gun if you weren't as I get that far too often from anyone I talk to from the UK. It's bad enough being an American to some of them, but being a fan of "soccer" and a fan of Man Utd, lol, I'm really in trouble then.

I agree that soccer as a sport allows for a ton of different combinations and possibilities on the pitch but can you really explain why EA don't seem to be trying to replicate any of that. It's pretty clear that your techincal players like Scholes/Pirlo/Iniesta don't matter in the midfield. Hell, your midfield doesn't even matter as you can't hold the ball up without getting rammed off of it. The aspect of soccer that we see in FIFA is what happened in precisely two games in the whole of last season's EPL campaign, end-to-end matches that ended in 4-4 and featured some pretty mind-boggling mistakes for both teams in the 'Pool/Spurs and 'Pool/Gunners matches. That's NOT how every game plays all the time. It's not even how games go most of the time. That's my gripe.

It just gets annoying when people praise the game so much because it's FUN. I like a fun game as much as the next person but on some level ignoring all of FIFA's shortcomings, or writing previews (not just on this site) that praise the game to no end when it hasn't become apparent that they're actually tweaking the game in the manner that they should, simply because it's, as one guy put it "the most fun you've ever had playing a sports videogame," kind of shows that you don't really know what the sport is about.

That's not me trying to be a jerk, I'm just saying that if you look at soccer in this game, it should become apparent that this isn't how the sport is always played yet it's praised to no end because it's so much fun. Imagine if Madden reverted back to the "take a fast QB and just run, run, run" era. Every sports game developer, including EA and Rutter, are preaching realism. Like someone said, the games only really realistic because of the authentic kits, stadia, and teams but I don't think the dev crew believe that. I think they seriously believe, or at least know that the casual crowd who don't know the sport will hear that "most realistic game" line and eat it up because they don't know how it should play.

I'd certainly welcome some sliders but that probably won't help with online. Thing is all the talk from the devs at other sites seem to point towards them actually wanting to make the game sim, but then impressions from a number of guys who got to play the game early at playtests and what not, seem to say otherwise (for instance techincal midfielder are still not very effective and the run at a guy and ram him off the ball technique is still in the game).

Quote: Originally Posted by lunacraz

i think fifa 09 is mad realistic, and im very excited to see what the next reincarnation is going to be. i dont get these gripes on the full press- high pressure means more open lanes in the back, and more open guys up front.

Are you on the 360 or PS3? I'd be interested to go against you to see how you play the game.

[southernbelle]

you don't even live over here? mate, be careful passing judgment on football (not 'soccah' ) expertise while being yank following man u.

Quote: Originally Posted by Murkurial

It's pretty clear that your techincal players like Scholes/Pirlo/Iniesta don't matter in the midfield. Hell, your midfield doesn't even matter as you can't hold the ball up without getting rammed off of it.

could agree more here! you are spot on as far as technical mid fielders go... having csec doesnt matter!

[Murkurial]

Quote: Originally Posted by southernbelle

you don't even live over here? mate, be careful passing judgment on football (not 'soccah' ) expertise while being yank following man u.

Can't tell if you're joking or not but you do realize that being British doesn't equate to having your brain wired in a way that allows you to understand a sport more than someone from another region.

For the record, I've been playing since I was 4 and had an English guy as our assistant coach during HS. I watch matches from every league whenever it's on and considering soccer isn't buried in convoluted rules like other sports it's not exactly difficult to follow, understand, an consequently have a legitimate opinion on.

But this conversation could take up a thread of it's own so I'll leave it there. The English also coined the term "soccer" by the way. Not Americans.

Would my opinion matter more if I supported a team in the bottom half of the table?

[lunacraz]

I'm on xbox 360, let me know if you are too

And honestly, i think its just how you can play the game. i play very different depending on the team. If i'm barcelona, or arsenal, i play VERY posession oriented. i very regularly get up to 60-40% possession in games no matter who i'm playing against. the thing is many people dont have the patience to pass BACKWARDS. you have to be patient for someone to make a run.

if i'm playing someone with a big target man, like munich, inter, or chelsea, i usually go down the wings and cross it back middle

the only gripes i have with fifa is the dribble control, switching on the fly, and the goalkeeping. the defending i usually take care of myself

i find many of the gripes here coming from people who get cheesed a lot online. i get cheesed a lot online too, freak long through balls, stupid half field goals. but whatever. if you play it right, more often times than not you'll just live with the BS and win

[Murkurial]

Yeah, im on the 360 as well, gamertag is MercSqd if you wanna play a few matches.

[ChaseB]

For the record, I've played soccer since I was 4 (I'm now 21) -- not that it should really be relevant to the topic at hand, but I was getting the impression from a couple people that I was somehow uneducated or did not watch/understand/play the sport....And that couldn't be farther from the truth.