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[southernbelle]

Quote: Originally Posted by Murkurial

Would my opinion matter more if I supported a team in the bottom half of the table?

if you have spent time in England you would understand the disdain long term fans have for man U fans that have never seen old trafford. football is real regional, as in if your from london, depending what area its west ham, spurs, blues, or gunners... etc. just be aware if you ever find your self in a pub in England watching the footie. i am not one of those guys... enjoy your sport and your team... we will see how they get by next year without CR. though my club lost a big guy this weekend, so we all have to cope with the market...

i just find it humorous that a guy that speaks down to others about their knowledge of footie supports Man U from the US. once again, a culture thing as in if that was done at the local pub what would happen... i know you say it has to do with understanding of what a SIM is, but it did not come across that way. regardless, you make good points, i just think a football sim is incredibly hard to make because of what makes the sport so amazing... fluid. iterative. nuanced. (and jam that into AI!!!) i played 08 (all the time - PES was broken!) i could never get over the fact that all the players felt like they were on rails... cant please em all

[Mad 69]

I'm hoping for an improvement in FIFA 10, I think FIFA 09 was a step backwards from 08. If the pacing/buildup is fixed, this has to be a better game. Some Manager Mode upgrades are also long overdue.

[Murkurial]

Quote: Originally Posted by southernbelle

if you have spent time in England you would understand the disdain long term fans have for man U fans that have never seen old trafford. football is real regional, as in if your from london, depending what area its west ham, spurs, blues, or gunners... etc. just be aware if you ever find your self in a pub in England watching the footie. i am not one of those guys... enjoy your sport and your team... we will see how they get by next year without CR. though my club lost a big guy this weekend, so we all have to cope with the market... i just find it humorous that a guy that speaks down to others about their knowledge of footie supports Man U from the US. once again, a culture thing as in if that was done at the local pub what would happen... i know you say it has to do with understanding of what a SIM is, but it did not come across that way. regardless, you make good points, i just think a football sim is incredibly hard to make because of what makes the sport so amazing... fluid. iterative. nuanced. (and jam that into AI!!!) i played 08 (all the time - PES was broken!) i could never get over the fact that all the players felt like they were on rails... cant please em all

I frequent a soccer oriented message board and know full well how frowned upon it is to be a United fan from America. Unfortunately I've never been given a legitimate reason besides what I perceive to be a general dislike of Americans by everyone in the UK. I suppose maybe you could shed some more light on the situation but all I hear, even when I play Team Play on FIFA is "wait, so you're American...that means you don't know **** about football..." I know that as United fan from the States people will frown upon it for whatever reason but I find it odd when I certainly wouldn't frown upon an English person who suddenly became a fan of the Patriots or the Steelers.

And as for the talking down part, I still maintain that if you think, as some people, and numerous outlets seem to, that FIFA is without it's flaws and is an actual realistic representation of the sport, you don't know much about it. Obviously you, Chase, and a number of others here do notice the issues so that isn't directed at you.

But once again...me being a United fan from America doesn't have much, if anything, to do with my knowledge of the sport. I didn't just start following them after the did the double back in 07/08. I didn't hear from someone that Manchester United was the **** and decided to jump on the bandwagon. I know that no matter what I say, people will feel that way but it's a terrible argument. I still support the Fire here in Chicago, in fact those are the first club matches I attended when I initially got into soccer and I've also been playing the sport since I was 4 (now 23). I like a ton of teams of various styles but I support one. Because that team happens to be United, I somehow can't have an opinion on the sport anymore, or at least I can't presume to have more knowledge of the sport than someone else? I think it's got less to do with me being a United fan, and more to do with me being American.

[southernbelle]

Quote: Originally Posted by Murkurial

Unfortunately I've never been given a legitimate reason besides what I perceive to be a general dislike of Americans by everyone in the UK. I suppose maybe you could shed some more light on the situation but all I hear, even when I play Team Play on FIFA is "wait, so you're American...that means you don't know **** about football..." I think it's got less to do with me being a United fan, and more to do with me being American.

no - the deal with united goes much deeper. i live in London and if i supported united i would get as much **** (probably more) than you. they call them "glory seekers" over here. it has to do with football allegiance equals tradition. so, if you are from southhampton, you support them come high or hell water, hate the rest. has nothing to do with your football knowledge which seems high. just a funny, very regional thing in the EPL where regional pride takes hold beyond what is practical.

[Bahnzo]

Quote: Originally Posted by southernbelle

no - the deal with united goes much deeper. i live in London and if i supported united i would get as much **** (probably more) than you. they call them "glory seekers" over here. it has to do with football allegiance equals tradition. so, if you are from southhampton, you support them come high or hell water, hate the rest. has nothing to do with your football knowledge which seems high. just a funny, very regional thing in the EPL where regional pride takes hold beyond what is practical.

Maybe you in England then need to realize that here in America those things you mentioned have nothing to do with that over here. We're not from Southampton or Newcastle and for the most part ManU is the featured game shown on TV here 80% of the time. It's no wonder that a lot of Americans follow ManU, it's the team they know and see. And what you describe is nothing special, it's the same here for our sports, especially NFL.

[southernbelle]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bahnzo

Maybe you in England then need to realize that here in America those things you mentioned have nothing to do with that over here. We're not from Southampton or Newcastle and for the most part ManU is the featured game shown on TV here 80% of the time. It's no wonder that a lot of Americans follow ManU, it's the team they know and see. And what you describe is nothing special, it's the same here for our sports, especially NFL.

i will pass the message on...

[lunacraz]

it's pretty ridiculous that you suggested an american fan can't possibly be a fan of the EPL. thats ridiculous. a lot in the EPL wouldnt be where they were today if it weren't for foreign viewership.

[southernbelle]

Quote: Originally Posted by lunacraz

it's pretty ridiculous that you suggested an american fan can't possibly be a fan of the EPL. thats ridiculous. a lot in the EPL wouldnt be where they were today if it weren't for foreign viewership.

that would be ridiculous if i had suggested that. i only was stating the fact that there is a disdain for untied fans that are not from manchester... nothing more, mate. actually, i think the disdain is ridiculous. not sure where you got the conclusion that i said "an american fan can't possibly be a fan of the EPL." i guess i need to type slowly.