NCAA Football 10 Pre-E3 Hands-On (IGN)

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by heavy_hitter

With EA's track record for NCAA and Madden football series, why should anyone be excited? There have only been 3 great breakthroughs on these series. The first Madden on the Sega, the first Madden on PS2, and NCAA 04 on PS2. Every other year has been average, disappointing, or a complete train wreck as 09 was. NCAA 08 was a better game than 09. The 09 Demo was a better game than the 09 retail version. Why should anyone be excited with the track record? I hope the game is great. However, I don't trust a word out of any employee of EA. I am not excited about the game because EA refuses to deal with the true essence of football and that is making the Line play correctly. Every offensive scheme is based off of the OL and it's blocking. EA continues to use head on blocking which doesn't allow for offenses and plays to function correctly. Until they rebuild the game and fix the OL/DL interaction properly, we will still have a sub par game. EA doesn't understand football and what makes offenses work IMHO.

So because your opinion is that EA has only had a handful of breakthrough football titles, then nobody should be excited?

The fact that you don't like the series or have been disappointed with it, doesn't equate to the fact that everyone should feel the same nor can they be excited about what they hear/read.

I don't understand how people can shoot down the excitement level of a game that nobody knows anything about. We all have hope that the game will be better, or else we wouldn't be in the forum discussing. And if its wrong to be excited that something may solidify that feeling of hope, then whats the point of gathering information pre-launch? Are we only to seek the information to be disappointed?

[heavy_hitter]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

So because your opinion is that EA has only had a handful of breakthrough football titles, then nobody should be excited?

NCAA 04 is opinion. If you pick up the latest GamePro Magazine they quote in there "The only two break through's in the Madden series were the first Madden on Sega Genesis and the first Madden released on the PS2.".

So obviously others agree.

I used to get excited about this game. EA, however, has made be bitter towards the NCAA series.

NCAA 04 was the may be the best football title ever released on any console.

NCAA 05 was a disaster. How the bleep do you make a great game in 04 and have a disaster in 05? Remember the man to man defensive disaster where the defense switched men like they were playing basketball?

NCAA 06 was much better that the 05 disaster. Yet, it still wasn't to the level that 04 was. You got one of the worst features introduced, and poorly introduced at that, with the Impact Players. Though better than 05, 06 was still a dismal game.

NCAA 07 was another poor performance in my opinion. Many will disagree, but the game didn't play well at all. We also got stupid stuff like Race for the Heisman. UGHHHH!!! I play online and this game was unplayable online. It was OK for league play, but you had to have 100 rules to make the game play correctly.

NCAA 08 NG was a disaster. Option Defense, do I need say more? Fumbles? I did say more. This game was unplayable.

NCAA 09 NG was worse than 08. How do you go from a bad game and make it worse? OD is the only reason I even have this game anymore. I play in a slow moving OD and get a game in every other week. If I HAD to play it anymore than that I would throw up. The money everyone paid for this game should have been refunded. How do you ship a broken game out of the box? Don't care what anyone says, but this game was broken. Wide Open Offense was EA's motto for not being able to program a worthy defense. The game was just bad.

So tell me, why should I or anyone else be excited? We haven't seen a decent NCAA game since 04.

[stylee]

I agree with heavy_hitter on the OL thing.

If the level of error applied to the OL programming were applied to any of the skill positions, no one would ever play this game.

I like Teambuilder but I don't think that's enough to motivate me to buy the game.

[rudyjuly2]

I'm not expecting the OL/DL interaction to perfectly represent real football. I think there was too much that needed to be done to get there in one year. It would be nice to have it but it's not necessary to produce a good football game. The results of the OL/DL interaction are more important than the process imo.

Last year you had offensive lineman who at default were tremendous pass blockers but lousy run blockers. There were far too many pancakes (said to be fixed for 10) that resulted in too many DL on their backs. Combine that with ineffective sliders and it was impossible to finetune the trench battle to something that at least produced realistic results. It just wasn't possible.

If the balance between run and pass blocking is improved, if the sliders work better and the pancakes are toned down, the game can still be fun even if we might still see some suction blocking and bad AI from time to time. Just my two cents.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by heavy_hitter

NCAA 04 is opinion. If you pick up the latest GamePro Magazine they quote in there "The only two break through's in the Madden series were the first Madden on Sega Genesis and the first Madden released on the PS2.". So obviously others agree. I used to get excited about this game. EA, however, has made be bitter towards the NCAA series. NCAA 04 was the may be the best football title ever released on any console. NCAA 05 was a disaster. How the bleep do you make a great game in 04 and have a disaster in 05? Remember the man to man defensive disaster where the defense switched men like they were playing basketball? NCAA 06 was much better that the 05 disaster. Yet, it still wasn't to the level that 04 was. You got one of the worst features introduced, and poorly introduced at that, with the Impact Players. Though better than 05, 06 was still a dismal game. NCAA 07 was another poor performance in my opinion. Many will disagree, but the game didn't play well at all. We also got stupid stuff like Race for the Heisman. UGHHHH!!! I play online and this game was unplayable online. It was OK for league play, but you had to have 100 rules to make the game play correctly. NCAA 08 NG was a disaster. Option Defense, do I need say more? Fumbles? I did say more. This game was unplayable. NCAA 09 NG was worse than 08. How do you go from a bad game and make it worse? OD is the only reason I even have this game anymore. I play in a slow moving OD and get a game in every other week. If I HAD to play it anymore than that I would throw up. The money everyone paid for this game should have been refunded. How do you ship a broken game out of the box? Don't care what anyone says, but this game was broken. Wide Open Offense was EA's motto for not being able to program a worthy defense. The game was just bad. So tell me, why should I or anyone else be excited? We haven't seen a decent NCAA game since 04.

thats your opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, but others, such as myself, have felt that we've had a decent game since '04. Maybe you feel differently.

[heavy_hitter]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

thats your opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, but others, such as myself, have felt that we've had a decent game since '04. Maybe you feel differently.

You must be the casual football gamer then. The hard core group has bashed this game forever. Go to any Sports Gaming Site and you see this game bashed more than complimented.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by heavy_hitter

You must be the casual football gamer then. The hard core group has bashed this game forever. Go to any Sports Gaming Site and you see this game bashed more than complimented.

thats it, pull out the casual football gamer card.

If we didn't have hope or believe that the game was going to or will get better, and if seeking information to solidify that hope/belief is a bad thing, then why bother coming into the forum seeking pre-release information? Why bother discussing the game at all?

[hayvis]

Quote: Originally Posted by moylan55

and explain to me why NCAA is held to a different standard than every other sports game on the market?

If you can't see that it's incredibly disappointing for a lot of NCAA football players that they can't use Teambuilder to replace generic FCS teams in the game with real FCS teams because they want a more realistic experience then I'm sorry for the fact that you were born without the ability to empathize. You got what you wanted. Try to feel a little for those that didn't.