MLB 09: The Show Patch Released 4/27/09 - Impressions and Discussion Here

[n8rockerasu]

Quote: Originally Posted by coreyhartsdaughter

The sense of self entitlement here is mind blowing, as Lewis CK recently and accurately pointed out on Conan, look how quickly, and how much some feel they are owed; (for which the technology didn't even exist 3 or 4 years ago!) moreover, the pursuit of this ridiculous video game perfection is absolutely absurd.

Come on man. I have to disagree strongly here. People love throwing that "entitlement" argument around here like it's some horrible inhumane ideal. As consumers, when you make a purchase, it is not unreasonable to expect to get a product as it was advertised and marketed to you. If you're creating dreams and wishes out of thin air, that's one thing. But to merely expect the product to perform as you were led to believe it would, is just normal rational expectation. To that end, I am "entitled" to receive what I paid for, as it was advertised to me.

If the product fails to deliver on any of the promises it made, then it is only natural that people criticize it. There are problems with this game. Simple as that. Unfortunately, those problems cover several different areas, and are of different levels of importance to different people. Yes, some people go above and beyond when showing their contempt, but it doesn't make their disappointment any less valid. But turning a blind eye to reasonable criticism and telling people that they have "entitlement" issues is just as bad. It makes you the very definition of an apologist.

In the end, as consumers, the MOST we can do with any purchase is assess our satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the product, and make our own decisions on whether we would purchase it again in the future. I'm not going to condemn SCEA and boycott all future products. But I most certainly won't be making my decision to buy MLB 2010 in December like I did this past year. Like I've told my friends, all Sony has lost is my blind allegiance. I'd hope even the apologists could accept that.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Quote: Originally Posted by sbauer318

All I was doing was pointing out an issue that actually exists. I've made two posts about this patch - the one you responded to and something related to the 60-day DL. I fail to see how that puts me into the "self evaluation"/losing sleep category. In general, players in the DH spot lose stamina as much as position players. As a result, one strategy from the game of baseball can be completely ignored. It's the same thing with 60-day DL. I post in hope that it will get recognized and fixed it in a future release. I don't post because it's causing me to take sleeping pills.

Careful with the sleeping pills!

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[coreyhartsdaughter]

Quote: Originally Posted by n8rockerasu

Come on man. I have to disagree strongly here. People love throwing that "entitlement" argument around here like it's some horrible inhumane ideal. As consumers, when you make a purchase, it is not unreasonable to expect to get a product as it was advertised and marketed to you. If you're creating dreams and wishes out of thin air, that's one thing. But to merely expect the product to perform as you were led to believe it would, is just normal rational expectation. To that end, I am "entitled" to receive what I paid for, as it was advertised to me. If the product fails to deliver on any of the promises it made, then it is only natural that people criticize it. There are problems with this game. Simple as that. Unfortunately, those problems cover several different areas, and are of different levels of importance to different people. Yes, some people go above and beyond when showing their contempt, but it doesn't make their disappointment any less valid. But turning a blind eye to reasonable criticism and telling people that they have "entitlement" issues is just as bad. It makes you the very definition of an apologist. In the end, as consumers, the MOST we can do with any purchase is assess our satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the product, and make our own decisions on whether we would purchase it again in the future. I'm not going to condemn SCEA and boycott all future products. But I most certainly won't be making my decision to buy MLB 2010 in December like I did this past year. Like I've told my friends, all Sony has lost is my blind allegiance. I'd hope even the apologists could accept that.

Well stated.

That said, I feel the link between being portrayed as an apologist, and one who has realistic expectations is a lot larger than being represented in this thread.

[coreyhartsdaughter]

Quote: Originally Posted by SoxFan01605

That's the point. If you read back, the main one's asking about it (like brunnoce, for example) haven't been rude, demanding, etc. They've just expressed disappointment (in a healthy way) and then moved on to asking questions. Someone jumped in and tried to put them in there place by stating (without real knowledge too, mind you) that the issue was "made up". You've shifted from the point a bit (and in all fairness, maybe I missed yours). Making blanket statements to cover either argument is equally silly and points to nothing, really. It doesn't have to be as black and white as you're trying to make it. The issue for people is something that IS in the game and WAS working differently is apparently not this year. They DO have a right to disappointment on that without being draped with the "self entitlement" blanket. Some people will never be happy and complain about everything...I agree. I don't think we always have to gear our counters to that lowest common denominator though. It works both ways too. One could argue that those who jump on every complaint that goes on are self endulgent. It's rediculous to think that ANY complaint that gets brought forth (even the most legit) has to go through the defense filter. It's actually counter-productive to getting such bugs recognized and ironed out. Maybe we're on different pages here. I'm talking about real gripes and you seem to be pointing to baseless complainers. I have no disagreement with that premise. In fact, I've had my own gripes with people senslessly demanding from/bashing SCEA. There's a constructive way and non-constructive way to handle it. On that, we are certainly on the same page. My only point was, to refute every gripe as rediculous based on your personal ranking of it, and without understanding the nature of the complaint only exacerbates the issue and puts the focus on the more dramatic, negative posters among us. But now I'm doing the same...lol...so with that, (in the interest of avoiding full on hypocrasy) I'm done. Sorry to all for derailing the thread with an apparently poor attempt at promoting reason. Back to the show!

I think we're on the same team, just play different positions.

[livnlegn]

Here is my take:

Anyone who has ever sat around counting on a patch to fix the major issues has been disappointed. Why any of us would ever expect the game to be healed when 1.0.6 was released makes very little sense to me. In fact, I would be floored if all of the issues are addressed by '10. The lineup issue is a particularly difficult one.

That said, a patch should do no harm and if it does, it should be retracted or replaced asap.

I love The Show (not quite OOTPB love... but I digress), but I am also happy that I have NBA 2k9 in the meantime.

[moemoe24]

Quote: Originally Posted by sbauer318

All I was doing was pointing out an issue that actually exists. I've made two posts about this patch - the one you responded to and something related to the 60-day DL. I fail to see how that puts me into the "self evaluation"/losing sleep category. In general, players in the DH spot lose stamina as much as position players. As a result, one strategy from the game of baseball can be completely ignored. It's the same thing with 60-day DL. I post in hope that it will get recognized and fixed it in a future release. I don't post because it's causing me to take sleeping pills.

I think what Cory is saying, and what I said about 20 pages ago is that Scea team KNOWS they have dropped the ball. If they didn't Russell wouldn't be on OS updating us. I see nothing wrong with stating the problems of this game.......I did it last night, but many, or maybe most of the complaints are the same ones over and over.

[ferriscj24]

Forgive me for not sifting through 52 pages of people whining and complaining about the patch...but I just have a question...


Should franchises be started over after downloading this patch? I am only a few games into it, so starting a new one is no big deal. Is it recommended to start over? And to continue using Knight's rosters?

Thank you!

[moemoe24]

I would say if you have already DL the patch, then yes, you should start over.