Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

[totalownership]

Quote: Originally Posted by Benicio10

Pared, I play the game mostly against people and without heavy slider changes, you can easily score 90% of your buckets in the paint. There is no incentive to shoot a jumpshot because it becomes a lower % shot in a competitive game. You'll say, "play people who play sim", and i'll tell you that I want the game to prevent the user from being rewarded for playing cheesy. If real teams could score 90% of their points in the paint they would too. But they score about 1/3 of their PIP because that's all they can get. That's why we edit sliders. And I don't want to play a game where Kobe can average 2 points a minute. It's unrealistic and not fun at all. The game can be re-tuned by sliders to prevent a lot of cheese. So why don't they use that re-tuned game as the starting point for the following version? I'm starting to realize it's because they don't want to produce a sim, just like Madden under David Ortiz didn't want to be a sim, and just like NBA Live didn't want to until Mike Wang came. I group NBA 2K in that same boat now. The proof is in the the product.

Sliders can only go so far though. The rosters need a rework. Ratings are all screwed up. When I see Dwight Howard consistently hitting 12 foot turn around fades then I pretty much roll my eyes and call it a day.

[DC]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

There is nothing to defend. There is no one with a pink name from 2k Sports actively replying to every single concern those on this board has. They are doing so in Live. Some will say EA needs to do it; To gain the trust back from their community.

And some would say 2K NEEDS to do it because they are LOSING our trust.

I have blind faith in 2K year after year for some odd reason. But I guess that is what FAITH is. Believing in something that you can't prove will happen.

As much as I WANT to say forget 2K, let me mess with Live, I can't do it. Why? Because there is always hope. There is always hope that they won't make a game that rewards people that press the whole game. Hope that I won't see Emeka Okafor perform a windmill in traffic (default rosters + setting NBA 2K8).

I just want a believable game.

[DC]

Quote:

This is incorrect. In fact, someone posted videos in how the help defense slider works in the slider thread. It should be all the way to the left to induce help defense and all the way to the right to make your players stick to their man. He actually got blasted at first for saying it was "backwards."

Now THAT is a myth. I have played numerous game with the slider to the left and I have still seem MANY (way more times than not) instances where a blowby happens and the opposite wing is still glued to his man.

Any time it happens when I am playing online vs someone I replay it. Ask Mo or SweetJamesJones.

The help defense this year is BROKEN. It needs to be fixed. Point blank man.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Benicio10

Pared, I know you've taken a look at my slider threads in the past. I DO take the time to fix these things, but it's tiring and time consuming. Believe me. And by the time you kind of get it down it's All Star break already. And it's not encouraging at all when the following year the next iteration comes out with the same identified issues from the prior year. Here's what I'm trying to get across ... The fact that the user base tunes the game towards sim, and 2K fails to ignore the idea of tuning theirs towards sim means it's a design decision to keep the game fake. And at this age, and this stage of my life with limited time to print out shot charts and spreadsheets from 82games.com and and box scores laying all over my table to try to get the game to replicate real NBA, it's just not worth it. It's refreshing to see groups of developers like Ian's Madden team and Mike Wang's Live team and of course, The Show, provide us with the re-assurance that they are at least TRYING to duplicate their real respective sports. You feel me right, Pared? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't engage in this discussion. Peace!

I absolutely know what you're talking about. I used to post sliders on here for guys that didn't have the time. I did what you did.. for the community.

But you hit a point where either you can't fix something and accept it or you see something that you don't think is believable and go right back to altering sliders. Using my previous example, if TD hit a 3 pointer against you to send a game to OT, you would either adjust the sliders or blame it on the rosters.

The problem is some in the community, here, love to extrapolate their examples to appear comedic to boards. It's a contest to see who can be the most ridiculous. If I were a dev., I would scratch my head because people post things like "Shaq be hittin' fadeaways all the time yo!"

There's no possible way they can improve a game off comments like that. Especially when their ridiculous examples aren't the norm.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Now THAT is a myth. I have played numerous game with the slider to the left and I have still seem MANY (way more times than not) instances where a blowby happens and the opposite wing is still glued to his man. Any time it happens when I am playing online vs someone I replay it. Ask Mo or SweetJamesJones. The help defense this year is BROKEN. It needs to be fixed. Point blank man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrnI...703C7&index=13

It needs work, absolutely. But this is the sort of extreme example that I am talking about. It's not "broken" by any means. Broken means it never happens. It will NOT EVER occur.

But we're just arguing linguistics now. The point is, it is there.

EDIT: They probably have their help defense slider all the way to the right.

[DC]

Quote: Originally Posted by totalownership

Sliders can only go so far though. The rosters need a rework. Ratings are all screwed up. When I see Dwight Howard consistently hitting 12 foot turn around fades then I pretty much roll my eyes and call it a day.

And that is another story. Rosters. Why must we constantly get roster updates that are CLEARLY from "someone" that is not a die hard NBA fan? In terms of knowledge, let me say that.

Since we are fighting a MACHINE in EA (Synergy) we can't just have anyone doing the rosters man. The 2K Insider is a joke. While it is better than previous years of 2K, it is still a joke. MOST of the roster sets here are MUCH better.

It seems like the insider rosters are cool rosters. Not much substance. They NEED to do better in this department.

Can't even get realistic simmed stats with those rosters because EVERYONE has high shooting ratings. It is sad

[DC]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrnI...703C7&index=13 It needs work, absolutely. But this is the sort of extreme example that I am talking about. It's not "broken" by any means. Broken means it never happens. It will NOT EVER occur. But we're just arguing linguistics now. The point is, it is there.

Broken doesn't mean NEVER. Broken means it doesn't work the way it should work.

We both can agree that they need to go back to the drawing board.

And didn't I JUST say more times than not the help defense isn't there? So why would you post an example when it is there? I didn't say NEVER, I said more times than NOT. And that IS the truth witht he Help slider at 0 or 100.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Broken doesn't mean NEVER. Broken means it doesn't work the way it should work. We both can agree that they need to go back to the drawing board. And didn't I JUST say more times than not the help defense isn't there? So why would you post an example when it is there? I didn't say NEVER, I said more times than NOT. And that IS the truth witht he Help slider at 0 or 100.

No, they don't need to go back to the drawing board. They need to do that if it NEVER happens, which is what you're saying you're NOT saying.

They need to sag off and bring over help more. They need to have the big men step up to the circle and challenge the drive. They need to play off the weakside corner and play ball-you-man.

They can do things to improve but they certainly don't have to go back to the drawing board. That's another example of what I am talking about in using a drastic example to get your point across.

You said your teammates don't help but you've also said you hardly use lock on. Maybe you should start.