The Abomination That is Madden Nation

[RedskinsGM2B]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trevytrev11

But isn't it your guys job to prevent these obvious problems from being possible ? How many years in a row has a below average quarterback been able to drop back 10-15 yards and then throw on the run and hit a receiver perfectly 45 yards downfield who makes a catch in double coverage. I understand this is a tactic used by a certain part of your audience, but it is only used because the game permits it. The game allows the success of this play to be almost as equal to a QB actually sitting in the pocket, stepping up to avoid the rush and hitting an open receiver. In reality, the odds of the first situation being successful should be minute compared to the latter, but it's not the case. I think that much of the cheese gameplay that we see is a product of the patterns that these players have been accustomed to for years. The reason they cheese and exploit the game is because they have never been penalized for doing so by realistic results and because the game allows it. Maybe I'm overestimating the minds of these players and maybe you are underestimating, but we'll never know because they have never been forced to play football the way it is meant to be played. They have never really been penalized for doing what should be impossible or nearly impossible. Is it possible that after realizing 10 times in a row that rolling out with Chad Pennington and throwing downfield on the run isn't working that the player may be forced to try and stay in the pocket and hit a receiver for a 7 yard gain? Maybe once they realize the improbably isn't working they will learn to play a little smarter. Maybe if you force them to play football, they will play football. Now you said glitches and tactics, but I'm focusing on tactics as this is what the programming should be trying to stop. True glitches will always come up and I beleive that a true glitch is purely unintentional and just a miss...but a tactic that works over and over when it shouldn't is completely different.

Very good point. And, the idea of having AI going into "judge & jury" mode is fantastic. The use of Goaline D more than a specified # of times in a specified area of the field should trigger J&J AI. There could simply be threshold repetition points, numbers & zones that trigger the AI into being exTREMELY effective against the play or formation in question. Shutting down these practices will unquestionably deter the practioners. If you see someone getting pulled over for speeding every 5 miles...you tap the brakes or find a different route, right?
Like another poster mentioned, QB's that constantly scramble outside the pocket should suffer immediate fatigue when doing so consecutively & as a result loose considerable accuracy when doing so. This would not only be realistic but, would also serve as a penalty to those of questionable football honor.
When DE's are being moved far beyond the outside shoulder of the Tackles, yes, they would still maintain their initial boost and speed due to the fact that they are unabated at the snap but, on the OTHER hand, the Tackle should be awarded the SAME speed boost & an AWR boost to set up his block/pocket (so he's basically in position regardless) because he TOO is not engaged due to this DE being past the threshold. Therefore, no unfair advantage can be attained with this practice.
Players that constantly bring the DB's to the slots or in the box would realistically be victim to getting knocked around or out of a play due to the much heavier/stronger traffic surrounding him.
Lineman would have to be given the knowledge to at least extend or "arm pop" a passerby Defender. I've seen WAAAY to many times when there are 2 linemen standing to either side of the QB or RB when a defender actually brushes against the O-lineman and the lineman would merely rotate around to watch the tackle. No thrust, no reach or even an arm out to partially impede the pursuit. Maybe he can't lock him up but almost all lineman have the ability to at least give a shove that would cause the defender to redirect his path or mis a step.
What about the CHALLENGE thing? What's THAT all about? If I want to challenge a catch...why does the ref challenge the "SPOT OF THE BALL"? When I want to challenge the spot of the ball, why does it end up challenging the catch? When I want to challege whether the player fumbled or not....again spot of the ball. Why is something so simple as being able to SELECT your challenge present?
One more...I mean it. I believe it should be the choice of the PLAYER, whether the QB actually follows or attempts to follow through with the pass or tucks it. It's the PLAYERS decision to risk the batted ball or fumble or broken arm. LOL Too many times, I have seen the Defender closing in but, I've decided to stand my ground and wait for the route to develop and pass at the last possible moment. But, the AI takes over at a particular distance threshold and forces the QB to tuck it and take the sack. That's a greater loss of yardage that I didn't choose! I should be able to independantly decide that I would rather the ball get batted incomplete, float accross the field or wobble to the ground nearby. Just like there is a cover/protect ball button for the RB, there should be one for the QB. If I press that button, then by all means, cover and take the sack. If I DO NOT press the button, I consciously take the responsibility of the risk. The QB continues to make the throw or it gets batted or he gets hit in the middle, I get my bell rung, the ball pops out and the D recovers...maybe. WhatEVER. My fault but, MY CHOICE!

[Kingfish]

Bought my first(and last) copy of Madden CE this year since 2004....which was the first one since 1999...

and I bought THIS years ONLY to get Head Coach early.

I haven't even had Madden in my 360...and prolly won't. If I want to PLAY a good game of football, I got 2K5 on my xbox.

[J4son]

In the most recent episode dude said he is going to run the ball and use his "rocket catch" to see what he can do.

[PaulZweber]

I don't think two games is the answer, although I agree with what you are saying. The time and money it would take to get TWO quality games out is something they are not willing to spend. Not to mention the lack of talent they have shown to be on there team. They wouldn't invest twice the time, twice the money, if they wouldn't make twice the profits. EA is all about money, not putting out quality games.

[BlackRome]

EA told you all you need to know when they removed fair play for online games. They cater to the BS. The same with the passing Icon. They got rid of it because to many of you complained. I loved it. It made the game more realistic. Any wonder it's not in the game.

[TheShizNo1]

This show is why I'm starting to believe Madden will never be Madden again. Even w/ the two guys here posting, the fan that matters is the fans on that show. Those are the majorities and where EA will be getting all their money from. The show is a joke as well as next gen EA football, the only sport in the genre that can't get it right on next gen. Pfft

[PaulZweber]

Thought this was pretty funny!



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Okay, I realize you are less than happy with Madden. And you made a lot of good points, but the "lack of talent" thing turned it toward the insulting. You don't have the right to make it personal, please stick to the issue with the game itself. Thanks....
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I don't think two games is the answer, although I agree with what you are saying. The time and money it would take to get TWO quality games out is something they are not willing to spend. Not to mention the lack of talent they have shown to be on there team. They wouldn't invest twice the time, twice the money, if they wouldn't make twice the profits. EA is all about money, not putting out quality games.

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[TheShizNo1]

Lame.....