NCAA Football 09 Patch #1 Available

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Quote: Originally Posted by Benicio10

This is the fundamental reason why we are all doomed as sim sports gamers. We will never be happy with the game because developers will INTENTIONALLY put fake things in their game to please people who want to throw 20 TDs a game. Thanks, OMT. I am officially done with NCAA forever. Time to move on to Madden and hope Ian and company get it right in 2010.

Yeah, I figured someone would misinterpret me like that.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

Why do you assume that all the hardcore people don't like this game? That's not true either. I also don't think there is as big a difference from what the casual gamer wants vs. what the hardcore gamer wants or expects other than degree of difficulty. I think that's one of the most overblown things on message boards out there. I get tired of hearing what the elitist snob known as the sim gamer wants as though he's so different and better than anyone else. Everyone wants the game to be a realistic representation of football. The casual gamer that wants to throw 20 TDs just needs to drop the difficultly level which is why default is Varsity.

Yeah, I'm not saying that at all. And it isn't like we say "Hey, let's make it arcade!" What I'm saying is that issues a hardcore guy may see as really bad is not a big deal to most people.

[doctorhay53]

I think the real ONLY gamekiller for me is just how truly STUPID the AI is. It's like they took too much time doing everything else and somehow they made the computer dumber.

Screen plays all the time. Running with 62 spd QBs. Juking themselves from a wide-open hole into a 2 yard gain.

Honestly the reason the CPU's rushing stats are low is because they call dumb plays.

Then, it seems like they had to fix it by making the CPU QB's unstoppable.

To me, it seems like the fundamental issue here has to be a disconnect and lack of communication in the gameplay team. I don't possibly know how complicated it must be to design good AI. But I know that the game was much smarter in many areas in previous versions, so that makes me wonder what the heck happened.

Either:
A) Many different people made uninformed gameplay decisions without consulting anyone or each other

or

B) The decisions were made on purpose, for who knows what reason

or

c) The implementation of good decisions was executed incredibly poorly.

Whatever the reason, I really believe they need to look very hard at restructuring their gameplay design process, mainly involving the AI playcalling and ball-carrying. I expect next years game to be very much improved in this area or I honestly won't buy it. I'm getting to that age where I don't have time to be so frustrated by something that is supposed to bring me relaxation and pleasure.

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With Madden out anyword on the Ps3 NCAA patch...

NCAA online dynsaty is way better that what Madden online has to offer....its a shame....until you can do an online franchise like the NCAA online dynasty....it looks like NCAA will be my more played online with friends game...

So yeah I want patch #1 and #2!!

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Quote: Originally Posted by stoncold32

Adam, Why can't we get a game(like we used to have) that caters to BOTH the real football fans as well the casual fan??? I see more money in that than the current pickle we are in. I am through with this game/series...I'm sure just one sale doesnt matter to you guys, but I know I'm not the only one. And how can you say the issues in this game are a subjective judgement?Unblieveable.... I mean we all have our own opinion of what "real football" is, but I think 99% of people agree that a 95 rated DE, should be able to beat a 72 rated OL, not be knocked on his butt everytime. I think most will agree with QB shouldn't sit in the pocket for 10 secs before passing. I think most will agree that defenders should not run AWAY from the ball carrier. And if all of what I just posted is NOT true, and truly subjective, then WHY did you guys make these corrections(and more) for Madden???

When I say "issues" I don't mean stuff that is wrong, but subjective issues that each person has that they personally would have done different.

Don't tell me there are tons of threads with people saying "X is totally wrong!" and people replying with "It feels good to me."

As far as fixing the pass rush on Madden, I think I read in the OS review of Madden that if you are playing as a team with a weak O Line, you are going to have a terrible time trying to make plays.

But let's not use the pass rush thing against ME. I wish we fixed it in the patch but it wasn't my decision. Actually, none of the stuff in the patch was my decision.

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Quote: Originally Posted by GoVols1985

I don't think that's very accurate. I don't think I'm a sheep following a herd, I mean, I played the game, I liked the game. I pointed out some problems I saw with it, but I still love playing it. The problems didn't kill it for me, what can I say? Should I pretend to hate the game just to appease those who are very vocal in their unhappiness with the game and EA? Then I really would be a sheep.

Exactly. And you can also say the reverse... people that hate the game are just 2K fanboys and no matter how good the game is they would still say it sucks and call people who like it sheep.

[rhombic21]

Quote: Originally Posted by OMT

Yeah, I'm not saying that at all. And it isn't like we say "Hey, let's make it arcade!" What I'm saying is that issues a hardcore guy may see as really bad is not a big deal to most people.

While I'm frustrated with the way the game was at ship, I'm even more frustrated by what happened post-ship. Based on the patch list that you provided, the gameplay patch that was submitted last week addresses a very small subsection of the gameplay issues that are significant problems with the game.

I'll be frank, I'm also frustrated that our gameplay concerns have to go through art and stadium sound developers, while the Madden gameplay guys are interacting with the community. While it's great to have you and Greg interacting with us, 90% of the complaints with the game are gameplay oriented, and there just comes a point where interaction with non-gameplay developers ceases to be of significant value until we get to a point in the development cycle when art changes need to be implemented.

You guys clearly made a design decision to have "wide open gameplay." The community had a pretty strong reaction to this gameplay decision. IMO, there needs to be some sort of dialogue/discussion between the team and the community about whether this direction is a good one for the franchise, and about how to best accomplish it in a way that doesn't diminish the ability of the hardcore/base to enjoy the game.

[doctorhay53]

Quote: Originally Posted by OMT

When I say "issues" I don't mean stuff that is wrong, but subjective issues that each person has that they personally would have done different. Don't tell me there are tons of threads with people saying "X is totally wrong!" and people replying with "It feels good to me." As far as fixing the pass rush on Madden, I think I read in the OS review of Madden that if you are playing as a team with a weak O Line, you are going to have a terrible time trying to make plays. But let's not use the pass rush thing against ME. I wish we fixed it in the patch but it wasn't my decision. Actually, none of the stuff in the patch was my decision.

Then you should resign in protest

Most of us really don't know alot about how complicated it must be to code a game. But we do recognize that in just 1 day of playing, almost all of the 'gamekiller' issues are discovered. That leads us to believe that someone in the design process is either completely dumb, or doesn't give a crap. Most likely it's that they don't care because the only people who will complain is the 'sim' crowd.

Obviously, you can see why that would rankle the feathers of most people on this forum. In this place, the 'sim' gamers mostly rule, and so it feels like the consensus of the world is our opinion. So we're very frustrated when our issues seem to go unnoticed year-to-year and in the patch process, even if some issues are addressed but there is still that little one issue that is stopping this from being the best game ever.....

You see my point?