POLL: Thoughts on refs swallowing their whistles at the end of games?

[Majingir]

It's quality over quantity though. It's not how many attempts are given, it's the types of calls which are or aren't called that's the issue. One guy can have 15FTA and another can have 6FTA, doesn't mean the guy with 6 has gotten the short end of the stick on calls, some or all of those 3 shooting fouls could be "phantom calls".

Sure, it can all be pointed back to me referring to one team, but it applies around the league. Not even one specific season. It's something even the people in the media on ABC,ESPN,TNT and everything mention too. Might not be on a regular basis, but even they do at times talk about "phantom calls" and "superstar calls" and how certain things won't be called because "it's the final 2 minutes" or "the refs not gonna call that in the playoffs" and things like that.

It's no secret that regular season and playoff officiating is different, just like officiating to start and end a game are different too. Doesn't matter if it's a Bucks-Kings game or Clippers-Celtics, you'll see different officiating in 1st quarter compared to final 2 minutes of 4th.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

I don't guess there is a way to prove it, but on the reverse there is no way to prove otherwise either. I've been going to and being a somewhat fan of Memphis ever since a team moved there in 2001. In these past 16 years not once have I felt "man the Grizz just don't get the calls these other teams do". Nor have I ever felt that Kobe, LeBron, or whoever have just stepped on the court and gotten the benefit of whistles that Bonzi Wells or Courtney Lee weren't getting. You hear a commentator say something about giving the star the benefit of the whistle, and all the sudden it goes from them justifying just one 50/50 play to the reaction that "it's been happening all game long, all season long, every time they have the ball". When in reality it's really not even like that. You could make the argument for any player. I could tally up every time Tony Allen got the benefit of the whistle and come on here and say "he gets all those superstar calls". The problem is people only care when it's a superstar, they don't care when it's a normal player so it goes unnoticed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So it's basically just a conclusion that we came to even though we have no proof that it's true. That's why it's hard to put any real stock into something like that without any real context.

I will say that I'm not naive to the fact that star calls do exist. Not just in the NBA, but all in the NFL with certain QBs, in Baseball with certain players, same in Hockey and even the same in College Hoops and Football.

You personally may not see it and you probably don't go out of your way to look for it either and that's fine because I'm sure most of us here don't. But it'd be extremely naive and ignorant for anyone to think it doesn't exist especially when we've had ex-Officials and ex-players across all Sports pretty much confirm that and that we fans have pretty much seen it with our own eyes.




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[ojandpizza]

I don't think they're nonexistent but I think the volume of them and magnitude is just overblown. If there is a 50/50 call on the floor and it goes to Michael Jordan instead of Rex Chapman I don't think it's a big deal. And that's what most of them are, 50/50 calls. It's not like the superstar is just out there getting calls that are ridiculous, or extra calls just because.

We've seen admitted that refs were told to give Kobe the benefit of the doubt whistles after the Lakers sent in tapes of multiple incorrect no calls. But those "benefit of the doubt" calls are still plays where there is contact, where it's questionable. Players aren't out there just getting open shots called for shooting fouls.


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[King_B_Mack]

Did you just seriously say you could go to Tony ****ing Allen of all people to see superstar players don't get the benefit of the calls moreso than any other player in the league? That's a load of crap and you know it OJ. Come on with this man.


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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

Did you just seriously say you could go to Tony ****ing Allen of all people to see superstar players don't get the benefit of the calls moreso than any other player in the league? That's a load of crap and you know it OJ. Come on with this man. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's not what I said, at all lol.

What I said was you can take any player and make a video of all the 50/50 calls that went their way and make it look as if they are getting this "superstar" treatment. Tony Allen was my example, because he's the farthest thing from a superstar.


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[ProfessaPackMan]

Like I said, if anyone is saying or thinks that Superstar treatment doesn't exist at all in ANY sport, then that person is one extremely naive individual and that's putting it nicely.

The non nice way is that person is one dumb and naive MFer, lol. Speaking in general, BTW

[Graphik]

Officiating in all sports has become this zest pool of bad calls and inconsistencies. And this is after all the major sports added replay.

I think what they should do is rewrite how they call fouls. What I would like to see is:

A. Stop superstar players from running to the paint and throwing up trash just to get a foul call. Its pretty obvious when it happens so if you rid of this, it will force players to look for a much smarter shot. Not run, chuck and flail.

B. Completely destroy the pump fake, jump into a player foul. It is the most unnatural thing to witness in slow mo when you see the defender try mightily to position his body out of the way only for the shooter to throw hisself at him. I hate it, I hate it.

C. No ticky tack, touch fouls. These are big, grown men. If the fouling player didn't alter a shot or dribble move then there is no need for a whistle. Too many "I touched his hand after he released the shot" fouls. Or the perfect block on a dunk attempt foul. If anyone has ever been on a bball court, a perfect block can be seen and heard. These refs are like 8 feet away and make this call a foul more times than not.

D. The Flop. Made popular by Vlade Divac back in the day....this needs to be eradicated completely. Vlade made it look like a science. Today, it just looks awful watching a 6'10" dude flop after being touched ever so slightly.


Anyway, back to the original point, it would be nice if they let the players play in the crunch. Meaning although the game is bound to get physical, make the calls consistent. The refs know who the aggressive ones are.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

If this season is of any indication, easy answer is yes.