The 2015 New York Knicks: Year 1 of Life "After" Dolan

[Hassan Darkside]

I don't care for BJ that much but one of the fastest ways to rebuild is to get teams to overpay. If they eat Calderón's salary and give up another asset I'd rest easier.

Side note: I'm terrified the Knicks are going to blow the draft.

[bigeastbumrush]

There is no fast way to rebuild.

The only proven way is to draft studs and let them develop and blossom.

Trading for Jennings is just absolute desperation and overthinking.

We have a Top 5 pick and tons of cash to spend. I don't care if the draft is perceived as weak after #3. That may have some credence but history shows that all it takes is one pick.

They just need to make sure it's the right pick.

Best talent available. Just take him. Whoever he is.

You reach to find a guy that "fits" your system or you play like the smartest man in the room and trade down just for the hell of it and something is bound to go awry.

[ehh]

I rewatched all of the DX scouting report videos for guys who will be available at 4. All it did was make me angry again that we didn't land in the Top 3 lol.

You never know how young kids will develop but this definitely looks like it's only a three-player draft. I guess my final decision heading into the draft is to take Mudiay and hope he turns into a Top 15 PG but I don't think Phil will take him.

[lhslancers]

Quote: Originally Posted by CMH

I fully expect 2015-16 to be another lost season because no rookie is going to change the team that dramatically and I don't see any of the major free agents giving up money to come to New York. It's going to be role players and young guys again. The team will win 25 games, maybe 30 if Fisher grows as a coach, and that's just about where they will be. So knowing that, I say you make this trade. 1. THJ isn't going to get much better and he's basically Shumpert. Some team will take him hoping he's more and end up disappointed. 2. Jennings isn't special either but he knows how to score and there will be a team that is excited about that on an expiring contract. If you're the Knicks and you can get Detroit to throw assets at you to take Jennings' contract, take it. They can flip Jennings again for something at the deadline.

The Knicks have to pray a couple of monster free agents want to come here in 2016-7 once the new cap takes effect. If it was me I would go elsewhere.

[lhslancers]

Quote: Originally Posted by jb12780

People are going to disagree no matter what. I have faith on Phil. Sent from my LG-LS980 using Tapatalk

Yeah as a coach not a as a part time whatever he is.

[bigeastbumrush]

2008- Russell Westbrook
2009- Tyreke Evans
2010- Wesley Johnson (DeMarcus Cousins was #5)
2011- Tristan Thompson (Klay Thompson was #11, Kawhi Leonard was #15)
2012- Dion Waiters (Damian Lillard was #6)
2013- Cody Zeller (arguably worst draft in NBA history)
2014- Aaron Gordon

It's way too premature to write-off the pick especially with a watered-down league and so many foreign players making an impact.

3 things are for certain-
1. One of the bigs selected early won't pan out (live up to the hype). Always happens that way whether due to injury or just not being that consistent. You rarely have multiple good big men coming out at the same time.

2. There's talent after #3. It's proven.
It all depends on how good your scouts were (which scares me because Phil spent too much time at UK which makes me think he really likes Trey Lyles).

3. Some GM is going to reach and end up getting burned.

I think these players will eventually be good players. Maybe not perennial All-Stars but good:
-Mudiay
-Lyles
-Portis (reminds me of a young KG)
-Cameron Payne
-Jarell Martin

At this point assuming it's Towns 1, Okafor 2, Russell 3, I want Mudiay.

You're telling me Mudiay won't be able to hold his own against Russell? I don't think so.

The problem is the organization needs to loosen the reigns on the triangle. If you don't, you might as well draft Porzingis or trade down for Kaminsky who would thrive in it.

I don't want to see that happen.

I wasn't high on Mudiay for the longest. But all things considered, out of "what's left" after #3, I think he probably has the most potential to blossom into a top player.

[ehh]

Yeah I've never been overly impressed with Mudiay. Everything about him screams "average NBA point guard" to me but I think he's the best player and safest pick. The fact that Phil said we're set at guard & small forward makes you think he won't take Mudiay.

Porzingis will be a disaster, that guy simply isn't ready to play in the NBA. He has a long way to go physically. I'd seriously rather take Kaminsky than Porzingis, I feel like there are long odds that KP will turn into a good pro. I probably like Hezonja more than KP too.

The rest of the guys seem like a reach at #4 - Winslow, WCS, Kaminsky, etc.

[CMH]

You guys know I'm on the Cauley-Stein bandwagon.

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