NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

[mango_prom]

Quote: Originally Posted by diehardknicksfan

If u never watch a knicks game you would not no how different j.r. Is playing. He's making geting to the rim the #1 opinon. And making the step back jumpshot the last desperate option. J.r. Is far from a one dimensional playr ksuttonjr. One of the best rebounding guards. Solid to sometimes above average defender.

Really? Smith takes 5.5 threes and 4 midrange shots per game. So no, that's not desperation at all.

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When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Alright, let's put it into context...

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And why are y'all comparing a guy Who is a second option on his team to parsons who is at best the third option who's only way of scoring is the three or points in transition.

Parsons actually is the second option on the Rockets. He's their 2nd best scorer and only Harden takes more shots. Oh, and talking about 3s...Parsons does not even attempt more three pointers than Smith...so all of your statements are simply objectively wrong.

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If he was put in j.r. Position. I'm not even sure he could put up 40% shooting with all the bail out shots j.r. Has to take. When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Let's say Parsons or Hayward would play on the Knicks instead of Smith and put up their usual efficient stats while Smith chucks away in Houston or Utah. Please tell me, would you still defend J.R. if he wasn't playing for your favourite team?

Also, bailout shots? Really? Without going into depth, the Knicks are a very well built team and a coach who knows how to make the pieces work. Actuall, Smith is in a very comfortable position on this team. He can get away with bad shots since the Knicks are winning. But playing for the Bobcats or Hornets, you surely wouldn't like him as much.

Basically, to me J.R. Smith is not much more than a glorified Ricky Davis...

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by diehardknicksfan

If u never watch a knicks game you would not no how different j.r. Is playing. He's making geting to the rim the #1 opinon. And making the step back jumpshot the last desperate option. J.r. Is far from a one dimensional playr ksuttonjr. One of the best rebounding guards. Solid to sometimes above average defender. And why are y'all comparing a guy Who is a second option on his team to parsons who is at best the third option who's only way of scoring is the three or points in transition. Chandler parsons is a good player with a good future but he can't even create his own shot. Parsons is in the prefect situation for his skill set. If he was put in j.r. Position. I'm not even sure he could put up 40% shooting with all the bail out shots j.r. Has to take. When using stats u have to take them in to context as well. Paul George is a good player with a good future but he is kinds overrated. Not a good mid ranged shooter. His handles are suspect. Dosent draw alot of fouls. And every year his FG% gets worse and worse. That's probably due to his usage getting higher. But that also tells you he can't be a highly efficient first option player and is more of a second option. He is never going to be a great scorer like some people think unless he starts drawing more fouls. As of now he is a good 3pt shooter who can drive to the rim with no mid game and suspect handles who dosent draw alot of fouls when he drives and if we wanna just use stats. There's not much of a difference between j.r smiths PER and George's . J.r 16.9. George 17.4 Happy to see the magic get some respect finally. Might use them now since they gave Tobias and vucevic some respect.

When the refs start calling those contact fouls when he drives to the hole, then he'll get those chances. However, that's a discussion for the Pacers Digest forum. Don't get me started here.

The drop in FG% is more from the transitioning of moving from a spot-up 3PT shooter (the previous coach's expectation of him) to being more of a slasher (putting pressure on defense while deferring to Granger/West/Hibbert) to being the Alpha Dog (caused by Granger's season-ending injury).

According to 82games.com, he has good ball-handling skills for his size and for a player who wasn't a facilitator in college. He only has 63 ball-handling turnovers given how often he's handles the ball in fastbreaks and half-court sets. If anything, Pacers Nation is more upset over how often he turns the ball over on passes (being too cute or passing up shots) than when he's stripped on the perimeter. The general belief is that his handles will get tighter as he get more and more confident/comfortable of being the Alpha Dog, and his passing turnovers will decrease as he learns more of what to do and not to do. To give it more perspective...George didn't really become the "Alpha Dog" until January. As for his mid-range game, he's still kinda streaky. However, 37% shooting is not necessarily horrible.

Personally, I wasn't part of the Parson/Smith conversation. I left that one alone.

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by mango_prom

Basically, to me J.R. Smith is not much more than a glorified Ricky Davis...

I'll give Smith credit for his offense. The man has been a beast, since the ASW. The only bad games he had was against Golden State and Indiana (Guess who was guarding him ). Where 2K Sports is messing up is on his defensive ratings.

[mango_prom]

Quote: Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76

I'll give Smith credit for his offense. The man has been a beast, since the ASW. The only bad games he had was against Golden State and Indiana (Guess who was guarding him ). Where 2K Sports is messing up is on his defensive ratings.

Absolutely, but I doubt that he'll maintain any of this. It's simply the formula of "Playing for the Knicks"+"A few good weeks" = "immediate rating boost" that I don't get.

[diehardknicksfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by mango_prom

Really? Smith takes 5.5 threes and 4 midrange shots per game. So no, that's not desperation at all. Alright, let's put it into context... Parsons actually is the second option on the Rockets. He's their 2nd best scorer and only Harden takes more shots. Oh, and talking about 3s...Parsons does not even attempt more three pointers than Smith...so all of your statements are simply objectively wrong. Let's say Parsons or Hayward would play on the Knicks instead of Smith and put up their usual efficient stats while Smith chucks away in Houston or Utah. Please tell me, would you still defend J.R. if he wasn't playing for your favourite team? Also, bailout shots? Really? Without going into depth, the Knicks are a very well built team and a coach who knows how to make the pieces work. Actuall, Smith is in a very comfortable position on this team. He can get away with bad shots since the Knicks are winning. But playing for the Bobcats or Hornets, you surely wouldn't like him as much. Basically, to me J.R. Smith is not much more than a glorified Ricky Davis...

lol 5.5 for smith and 5.2 3s per game for parsons. thats a real big difference.

if they were on the knicks and put int the situation as the second sometimes first option on the knicks with the defense focusing on them every game. They would not put up there same stats on the percentages there doing now. It would be much lower. Especially since he is assisted on more that half his shots. He would fail terribly in j.r. Smith position.

And I was referring more to j,r, recent stretch were his FTA per game have jumped and he is constantly attacking the rim getting him EC player of the week

And if you watch one knick game you would know our offense is iso melo and iso j.r. And make it rain from three. And I'm sure smith is comfortable being option 1B behind melo. But that's not good for the team. But he is capable of doing for short burst not an entire season like he has been asked. J.r. Has to do alot more for his team then parsons does.

And I would defend him cause your trying to say a guy Whois really just a spot shooter and a defender is better then j.r. Smith.

Oh and j,r, has a higher PER. Don't really like PER but I just want to throw that in there

[cj2008nw]

Quote: Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76

And you're worst than a politician. Answer my original question. Did the Miami Heat use scouts to determine Lerbron's worth before offering the near max contract to him? Also, you're comparing apple to oranges when you're talking about college PROSPECTS moving up to the NBA level, and you're just trying to introduce something new to "prove" your point. We were discussing the NBA...NOT college athletes, but since you want to act like Mr. Know-It-All, lets go ahead and explore that. First off and what I stated NUMEROUS times already, stats are not the be all end all to everything. Next, NBA stats are the END results of some sort of production, and can be used to a degree to measure basketball IQ. If you have PG A who's averaging 5 TOPG and 1 APG vs PG B who's averaging 5 TOPG and 11 APG, PG A better have some other talents to bring to the table before a coach lets him run the offense. Scouts are used for college prospects, because COLLEGE stats are not an indication of how SUCCESSFUL a player can be in the NBA. Why? It's a DIFFERENT type of game, pace, mentality, and competition when compared to the college level. Also, contract conversations doesn't matter, because contracts are based on the position of where the player was drafted at. When a player is a rookie, his agent doesn't have any leverage to "negotiate" his contract. However, when a player's ROOKIE contract is over what do you think they're going to use to determine the amount of his next contract? Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk HD

I don't think you read my post because all I said was that Spurs and Thunder have the best Scouts in the NBA.... and Danny Green played with the Cavs for a year and Spurs signed him or traded for him. I honestly can't remember... but if the Spurs looked at Danny Green's Rookie Stats they would have NEVER signed him or even gave him a chance ,but they found potential in him and helped him develop into the player he is today

[diehardknicksfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76

I'll give Smith credit for his offense. The man has been a beast, since the ASW. The only bad games he had was against Golden State and Indiana (Guess who was guarding him ). Where 2K Sports is messing up is on his defensive ratings.

Wanna see how George handles 2 of the hottest players in the league. With the the pressure of losing ground In the race for the second seed. Gunna have his hands full

[cj2008nw]

Quote: Originally Posted by diehardknicksfan

lol 5.5 for smith and 5.2 3s per game for parsons. thats a real big difference. if they were on the knicks and put int the situation as the second sometimes first option on the knicks with the defense focusing on them every game. They would not put up there same stats on the percentages there doing now. It would be much lower. Especially since he is assisted on more that half his shots. He would fail terribly in j.r. Smith position. And I was referring more to j,r, recent stretch were his FTA per game have jumped and he is constantly attacking the rim getting him EC player of the week And if you watch one knick game you would know our offense is iso melo and iso j.r. And make it rain from three. And I'm sure smith is comfortable being option 1B behind melo. But that's not good for the team. But he is capable of doing for short burst not an entire season like he has been asked. J.r. Has to do alot more for his team then parsons does. And I would defend him cause your trying to say a guy Whois really just a spot shooter and a defender is better then j.r. Smith. Oh and j,r, has a higher PER. Don't really like PER but I just want to throw that in there

THANK YOU!!!! finally somebody with some sense!!