Zone Defense Is So Overpowered

[bls]

If your playing somebody that really knows what their doing its overpowered.

Basically they just take an off ball defender in the zone and come over and trap you. Now the court proportion ratio is so small in this game, is not much space from the 3pt line to the half court line. And the way 2k makes your man move in this game it's sometimes hard to get around.

But my point is, you can have a man wide open on the other side of the defense but either of 2 things will happen giving the benefit to the defense and that is, either the ball with get tip or stolen OR because the court is so small they're able to recover at an alarming rate, and the speed of the ball on the pass is so slow that by the time it gets to the open teammate, they have already recover.

You can swing it to the open man all game long but the recovery is so fast that you'll never get the open look that your suppose to have due to the speedy recovery. It's no way someone should be able to bring a defender all the way to the top of the key and leave someone open all alone in the corner and by the time I get the ball to them they have recovered back to him. That's unrealistic. In a 2-3 you are gonna give up some open shots, thats the whole point of it, to limit inside scoring. But the way it is now, it allows the user to cover both.

Another thing that a zone tends to due because of all the help defense zones give, in reality it gives room for more offensive rebounds. But in this game, you get defensive rebounds better when your in a zone. Your not vulnerable to giving up offensive rebounds like a zone would do.

2k really needs to looking into scaling their players down even smaller to get the right proportion of the court cause as of now it's off. I can call a play right now at the top of the key and go to the play circle to start the play. If I just slightly tap the LS back to move my player back alittle, i'll take this bounce stutter step back and it'll be a back court violation.

As of now I only see 1 play for zones called "2-3 killer" and it literally takes forever to get it going. I can run pick and rolls all day but they just double down and when the man is wide open , they switch to the defender closest in the zone and just sprint over to the open man. By the time the ball gets their......too late. Frustrating!!!

[demfl]

So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting.


Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only.
NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST.

Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan.

Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.

[OTCU]

Quote: Originally Posted by demfl

So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting. Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only. NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST. Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan. Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.

You're the only clown that thinks zone is cool. It has been proven that it is overpowered. If you can't play man to man on ball d you suck to me.
Zone is OK when a guy is spamming the paint but the whole game? That's cheddar

[demfl]

Quote: Originally Posted by OTCU

You're the only clown that thinks zone is cool. It has been proven that it is overpowered. If you can't play man to man on ball d you suck to me. Zone is OK when a guy is spamming the paint but the whole game? That's cheddar

It's been proven? Really, show me

In Basketball its been proven if you run the same offense, someone is going to come along and show it up.

[bls]

Quote: Originally Posted by demfl

So basically you want to score all the time? If you play someone who knows how to play great D regardless of set, its going to be difficult. In the 1-3-1 not only am i vulnerable to a 3point fest but usually I have no guys underneath to rebound after the shot. It's not overpowered you just need to get better at adjusting. Like I said in the another thread, zone can be powerful for one reason only. NO ONE LIKES TO ADJUST. Everyone wants to run that same offense that put them on a 8 game winning streak. Suddenly your next game is against a player who is great in the zone and you keep trying to run your same 8 game winning streak plays, so you lose and in frustration you now want to label the zone cheese. Start playing with more than one game plan. Check the thread above another poster complaining about getting beat every time he runs zone. There's a counter to everything in this game, adjust, adjust , adjust.

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to score all the time. But if the user is taking advantage of the game flaws then yes I should. If you bring someone over to double you are leaving yourself vulnerable because you leave someone open. That's basketball. When the Lakers played the Celtics in the finals, they put Kobe on Rondo and let him roam around and dared Rondo to shoot. The thing is Rondo was open to shoot, he just couldn't make them.

What I'm saying is the recovery to get back over to the open man is so fast, I'm not able to shoot. It's no way they should be able to cover a distance from the top of the key to the corner of the three point line and contest. It's just not possible but in this game you can double and recover all game long. It's unrealistic.

[bls]

Quote: Originally Posted by demfl

It's been proven? Really, show me In Basketball its been proven if you run the same offense, someone is going to come along and show it up.

And you can't just run plays for a zone. You have to have ZONE BREAKER plays. I've only seen one play for zones and it's call "2-3 killer" and it takes forever to develop. Not to mention the face that these cheese heads are switching back and forth from man to zone and when they do that it breaks the offensive play up altogether.

[demfl]

Quote: Originally Posted by bls

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to score all the time. But if the user is taking advantage of the game flaws then yes I should. If you bring someone over to double you are leaving yourself vulnerable because you leave someone open. That's basketball. When the Lakers played the Celtics in the finals, they put Kobe on Rondo and let him roam around and dared Rondo to shoot. The thing is Rondo was open to shoot, he just couldn't make them. What I'm saying is the recovery to get back over to the open man is so fast, I'm not able to shoot. It's no way they should be able to cover a distance from the top of the key to the corner of the three point line and contest. It's just not possible but in this game you can double and recover all game long. It's unrealistic.

Fair argument and I will tell you that maybe in a month or so your game will improve. I play zone and have played against people who did a great job against it, they were able to find open 3s and easy baskets. What do you tell them players? Are they cheesing to counter it because whatever they're doing it's working.

Maybe I came on too strong but I really think people are comfortable winning consistently with their offense and suddenly when a good zone player stop them they label it cheese and unrealistic.


I considered myself great at running the zone and the people who beat me didn't cheese to so called counter the zone. They spread out the floor, didn't stay stationary in their dribble and drove thru the gaps in the zone, thats basketball.

All I'm saying is get a little better against the zone before scapegoating with cheese or overpowered label. Against a great zone player you have to adjust, I will keep saying it.


Tip # 1 against the 1-3-1 zone.

Don't I repeat Don't dribble the ball at the top of the key with your PG as if you're about to run a play. Drive with your PG and kick it out to one of your players that will be wide open. Most people dribble stationary at the top of the key with their PG and that where the trouble begins.

[sword1986]

I rip right through zone defenses. I haven't lost to anyone yet that used it. My gameplan is always going for the post and once I notice that Brook Lopez doesn't post up (cause in zone he just stands there). I sub in shooters. DWill, Johnson, Bogans, Green, Blatche and I will select screen for shooters. Dribble around with DWill, make a set up. You will bang shots automatically. It's not like last year where you threw bricks when you were wide open. Now they fall. Keith Bogans ends up looking like Ray Allen and I go on a tear. I also have another squad i call 'SNIPER' - DWill, Bogans/Johnson (whoever has more stamina), Wallace (rebounder), Evans (Rebounder), Humphries (rebounder). I will jack up shots and get a lot of offensive boards.

There is a lot of strategy to winning. Even if someone knows what they're doing. Set up screens, block him out and bang shots.

Who do you normally use online? Maybe I can help you out with some lineups.