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[DukeC]

Quote: Originally Posted by kolanji

@ DukeC yea true about floaters but the examples u give going one -on-one is not a good time for an up and under... best used with the help defender coming over and in the paint or an over active post defender who is not discipline to not leave his feet remember this he did it cause he thought sam perkins was gonna try to block his shot so he came back down and back up.........UP and UNDER against help shot blocking defenders....... so adding more to the AI is needed in 2k13 just more so across the post and mid air and not just the flick flick up and under..... it has always been a part of the nba and even more so in today's game

I think the language barrier here is part of the problem.

While Jordan did have the BALL up, then brought it UNDER so he wouldn't get blocked, that entire sequence has a proper name which is called the double clutch layup. I agree, there should be more of those in the game.

Now, what I, and perhaps many others got confused on is the up and under is generally used to describe a post move where the PLAYER, goes up and under.

Example:

See how McHale fakes his body UP, THEN goes UNDER the defender? THAT's an up&under. The other examples you provided are called double clutches.

Edit: Ah, I see what you mean. While I suppose the proper term is considered that, everyone simply calls it a double clutch so that it doesn't get confused with the post move of the same name. It also makes more literal sense.

[RyanFitzmagic]

Quote: Originally Posted by kolanji

OMG a double clutch is still an up and under move stay with me u first go UP and then under to go back up(it just describes the motion of the shooting) ...u know what am done trying

So, you just don't understand the concept of not taking everything literally, right?

I suppose every time someone gets crossed over in 2K13, they should be placed on injured reserve with a broken ankle.

[stillfeelme]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_moves

Quote:

Up and under The up and under is a move consisting of two parts, a shot fake (the up) and a step-through (the under). First the player with the ball fakes a shot by thrusting the ball above his head as if to take a shot, then when the defender jumps in an attempt to block the shot, the offensive player steps by him and attempts a clear, unguarded shot. Generally used by post players, Kevin McHale was considered a master of this move.

Everybody considers McHale moves up and unders

[kolanji]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

I think the language barrier here is part of the problem. While Jordan did have the BALL up, then brought it UNDER so he wouldn't get blocked, that entire sequence has a proper name which is called the double clutch layup. I agree, there should be more of those in the game. Now, what I, and perhaps many others got confused on is the up and under is generally used to describe a post move where the PLAYER, goes up and under. Example: See how McHale fakes his body UP, THEN goes UNDER the defender? THAT's an up&under. The other examples you provided are called double clutches. Edit: Ah, I see what you mean. While I suppose the proper term is considered that, everyone simply calls it a double clutch so that it doesn't get confused with the post move of the same name. It also makes more literal sense.

exactly DuckeC now u see what am saying whatever name u call the variations of up and under it just falls under and up and under whether it be a double clutch a flick flick on reverse lay up they r all under the up and under...and 2k has a lot of em which is great just that it only seems to do what u guys call the flick click version too much..and not so much the others......all am saying is they need to add better defensive tools to deal with the flick flick version and more contact in the paint

[DukeC]

Quote: Originally Posted by kolanji

exactly DuckeC nor u see what am saying whatever name u call the variations of up and under it just falls under and up and under whether it be a double clutch a flick flick on reverse lay up they r all under the up and under...and 2k has a lot of em which is great just that it only seems to do what u guys call the flick click version too much..and not so much the others......all am saying is they need to add better defensive tools to deal with the flick flick version and more contact in the paint

@1st Bolded: Misunderstanding cleared up . But you also see why we have name variations of the same move though right? One applies to different situations. Like, the double clutch is associated with layups where they bring the ball up, under, then back up again, essentially doing the act of laying the ball in twice. Twice = Double. The Up and Under is more associated with post moves because it's usually a LITERAL up and under. So you can see why the move was split into different names so that they would be easily identifiable. That's why when you came in here and started saying a double clutch was an up and under..guys in here were confused. We hardly, if ever, go by the literal definition of a basketball move anymore.

@2nd Bolded: I'm with you on that

[RyanFitzmagic]

I think in the future, no one should ever try to argue the semantics of a dialect that isn't their first language.

[mauro78]

Quote: Originally Posted by Beluba

I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.

Thanks Mike for answering about many gameplay related question on the forum. Any info about 2k13 and CPU Double Teams?

In 2k12 CPU almoust never double teams hot players...did you work on this for 2k13?

Thanks in advance

[kolanji]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

@1st Bolded: Misunderstanding cleared up . But you also see why we have name variations of the same move though right? One applies to different situations. Like, the double clutch is associated with layups where they bring the ball up, under, then back up again, essentially doing the act of laying the ball in twice. Twice = Double. The Up and Under is more associated with post moves because it's usually a LITERAL up and under. So you can see why the move was split into different names so that they would be easily identifiable. That's why when you came in here and started saying a double clutch was an up and under..guys in here were confused. We hardly, if ever, go by the literal definition of a basketball move anymore. @2nd Bolded: I'm with you on that

oh ok i got yah....i was speaking of the collective up and unders in nba 2k while u guys were just i think on what VC calls a flick flick version.but i guess from now on i will specify what up and under am talking about whether it be from the post or FLICK FLICK as u guys would say

@ RyanFitzmagic dont make assumptions like that English is what we speak here in belize......maybe i have some typos in my post but that is from
typing in the dark trying not to disturb my wife sleeping next to me