Official Rate My Trade Thread

[Comduklakis]

Quote: Originally Posted by jlneste

Let me know what you guys think about this potential trade: Chicago: T.Thomas (MEM) J.Salmons (MEM) Memphis: R.Gay (CHI) H.Thabeet (NYK) New York: J.Jeffries (CHI) N.Robinson (MEM) 1st Round Pick (CHI) Reasoning: Chicago gets a future all star in R.Gay. Memphis doesn't run the risk of losing R.Gay for nothing and get a good role player in J.Salmons, a guy with all-star potential in T.Thomas, and a great off-the bench scorer in N.Robinson. They give up H.Thabeet because M.Gasol is developing into one of the best center's in the league and T.THomas provides shot-blocking and more of an upside on the offensive side. New York gets rid of a bad contract in Jeffries, clearing more space for free agents, the same with the 1st round pick, and H.Thabeet gives them some youth with potential to help lure in a big free agent.

I see all your logic and overall not too bad. My only thoughts is that the Knicks get hurt a bit. The reason being is that the FA class of 2010 seems to not pan out on 2k. Most of the time the Knicks end up with a 2nd tier free agent like Boozer or Gay rather than LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or even Dirk, Joe Johnson, or Amar'e. And if that 2nd tier FA is Boozer then you have David Lee, Boozer, and Thabeet fighting for minutes. Also Thabeet doesnt' seem to pan out so well in 2k. All the associations I've simmed and played and he's never amounted to more than a backup who blocks shots. Also I'm not sure how bad of a contract Jeffries is at this point. I know on 2k he isn't that great, but in real life they are playing him 40 minutes a night in a seven man rotation.

If I was memphis I might look for Thomas to be locked up to a contract before agreeing. He's scheduled to be a FA after this year just like Gay. Maybe if the Grizzlies and the Bulls agree to sign and trades with both that would make each team more comfortable with the deal.

[jlneste]

[quote=Comduklakis;2040735383]I see all your logic and overall not too bad. My only thoughts is that the Knicks get hurt a bit. The reason being is that the FA class of 2010 seems to not pan out on 2k. Most of the time the Knicks end up with a 2nd tier free agent like Boozer or Gay rather than LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or even Dirk, Joe Johnson, or Amar'e. And if that 2nd tier FA is Boozer then you have David Lee, Boozer, and Thabeet fighting for minutes. Also Thabeet doesnt' seem to pan out so well in 2k. All the associations I've simmed and played and he's never amounted to more than a backup who blocks shots. Also I'm not sure how bad of a contract Jeffries is at this point. I know on 2k he isn't that great, but in real life they are playing him 40 minutes a night in a seven man rotation.

If I was memphis I might look for Thomas to be locked up to a contract before agreeing. He's scheduled to be a FA after this year just like Gay. Maybe if the Grizzlies and the Bulls agree to sign and trades with both that would make each team more comfortable with the deal.[/quote

You have some good points. I control all 30 teams, so I was thinking about the Knicks at least ending up with Boozer. What if I unloaded E.Curry and send him to the Bulls? Do you think that would be enough to entice them?

I know that Mike D'Antoni sp? Is not a fan of Nate Robinson or Eddy Curry. It has been rumoured that the Knicks want to dump J.Jeffries contract. In real life the Knicks gave up their 1st round pick for T.Gugliotta back in 1994. Maybe I should throw J.Johnson the Bulls rookie out of Wake Forest into the Knick as well.

Your thoughts on:

Chicago:
T.Thomas (MEM)* sign and trade
J.Salmons (MEM)
B.Miller (NYK)
J.Johnson (NYK)

Memphis:
R.Gay (CHI)* sign and trade
H.Thabeet (NYK)

New York:
N.Robinson (MEM)
J.Jeffries (CHI)
E.Curry (CHI)
1st Round Pick (CHI)

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by jlneste

Your thoughts on: Chicago: T.Thomas (MEM)* sign and trade J.Salmons (MEM) B.Miller (NYK) J.Johnson (NYK) Memphis: R.Gay (CHI)* sign and trade H.Thabeet (NYK) New York: N.Robinson (MEM) J.Jeffries (CHI) E.Curry (CHI) 1st Round Pick (CHI)

So The Bulls get Rudy Gay and a 1st round pick for for T.Thomas and J.Salmons? (the other players going to or coming from the Bulls are almost a wash, IMO).

[tarantism]

Gay is going to re-sign with Memphis one way or another. He is a restricted FA. Either way, all indications are that he is staying there for a while. They have his Larry Bird exception rights and I think he is pretty happy there. Therefore, from a sim perspective, this trade wouldn't go down.

From a fairness perspective...hard to say. Essentially the Bulls are getting Rudy Gay and Jarred Jeffries (one upcoming star and another solid rotation guy and strong post defender) for for Tyrus Thomas (losing value around the league, known attitude problem, just athleticism and potential at this point) and John Salmons, who is just an average role player who isn't a good defender. Nate Robinson I guess could tip the scales on that trade, but it is debatable. He is already an overachiever and his stats are inflated in New York because of the run and gun system they run up there.

I think that the clear beneficiary in this trade is Chicago, because the Knicks wouldn't use Thabeet and Brad Miller is over the hill...James Johnson might be a good pick up for them except that they are shelling out a first rounder in the deal...so at best those two things cancel each other out. Meanwhile, Chicago gets one up and comer, one proven defender and a first round pick to boot.

Just my opinion.

[Comduklakis]

[quote=jlneste;2040735758]

Quote: Originally Posted by Comduklakis

I see all your logic and overall not too bad. My only thoughts is that the Knicks get hurt a bit. The reason being is that the FA class of 2010 seems to not pan out on 2k. Most of the time the Knicks end up with a 2nd tier free agent like Boozer or Gay rather than LBJ, Wade, Bosh, or even Dirk, Joe Johnson, or Amar'e. And if that 2nd tier FA is Boozer then you have David Lee, Boozer, and Thabeet fighting for minutes. Also Thabeet doesnt' seem to pan out so well in 2k. All the associations I've simmed and played and he's never amounted to more than a backup who blocks shots. Also I'm not sure how bad of a contract Jeffries is at this point. I know on 2k he isn't that great, but in real life they are playing him 40 minutes a night in a seven man rotation. If I was memphis I might look for Thomas to be locked up to a contract before agreeing. He's scheduled to be a FA after this year just like Gay. Maybe if the Grizzlies and the Bulls agree to sign and trades with both that would make each team more comfortable with the deal.[/quote You have some good points. I control all 30 teams, so I was thinking about the Knicks at least ending up with Boozer. What if I unloaded E.Curry and send him to the Bulls? Do you think that would be enough to entice them? I know that Mike D'Antoni sp? Is not a fan of Nate Robinson or Eddy Curry. It has been rumoured that the Knicks want to dump J.Jeffries contract. In real life the Knicks gave up their 1st round pick for T.Gugliotta back in 1994. Maybe I should throw J.Johnson the Bulls rookie out of Wake Forest into the Knick as well. Your thoughts on: Chicago: T.Thomas (MEM)* sign and trade J.Salmons (MEM) B.Miller (NYK) J.Johnson (NYK) Memphis: R.Gay (CHI)* sign and trade H.Thabeet (NYK) New York: N.Robinson (MEM) J.Jeffries (CHI) E.Curry (CHI) 1st Round Pick (CHI)

I think the Knicks would trade their own mother to get out of that Eddie Curry contract. The Knicks would lose two contracts which should allow them to sign either one max deal and one 2nd tier guy (boozer?) or 2-3 2nd tier guys. So I could see the Knicks doing it if they rid themselves of both contracts. The Bulls would basically be surrendering on taking a run at Wade, LBJ, etc. but would get Gay and a 1st round pick. That said they better hope that the pick pans out nicely and that Gay keeps getting better because they will be screwed capwise to sign anyone but their own guys that they have bird rights too.

I disagree with the poster that claims Gay is definately staying in Memphis. Yes he is a restricted FA but I'm not sure Memphis sees him as a max deal guy and if someone offers him enough, Memphis might let him go (all real life of course). Getting Thomas, Salmons, and nate Robinson should set them up for a decent team and set them up salary cap wise for a run in 2011 at a big FA.

So if Thomas/Gay are signed and both Curry and Jeffries are included I can see it happening. The bulls do get a borderline allstar and a 1st rd pick (probably late lottery to mid rd with memphis?) but they get stuck with 2 years of dead weight salaries and minimal use players. Miller is an expiring contract so he won't hurt the Knicks and will actually provide some solid minutes in their depleted front court. Johnson might pan out, who know. So I'd say the trade is fair for all involved.

[sammcculloch]

As timberwolves

Minnesota Trade:
C Al Jefferson

Oklahoma City Trade:
10' First Rounder
11' First Rounder

Logic for Me: Get two first rounders for a rebuilding team that will be built around Jonny Flynn.

Logic For Thunder: Get a dominating low post presence to help them make a long playoff run.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by sammcculloch

As timberwolves Minnesota Trade: C Al Jefferson Oklahoma City Trade: 10' First Rounder 11' First Rounder Logic for Me: Get two first rounders for a rebuilding team that will be built around Jonny Flynn. Logic For Thunder: Get a dominating low post presence to help them make a long playoff run.

Seems fair to me. If any thing I might throw OKC a 2nd rounder in the 2011 draft but, maybe that's too much to give up. IDK.

[jlneste]

Quote: Originally Posted by tarantism

Gay is going to re-sign with Memphis one way or another. He is a restricted FA. Either way, all indications are that he is staying there for a while. They have his Larry Bird exception rights and I think he is pretty happy there. Therefore, from a sim perspective, this trade wouldn't go down. From a fairness perspective...hard to say. Essentially the Bulls are getting Rudy Gay and Jarred Jeffries (one upcoming star and another solid rotation guy and strong post defender) for for Tyrus Thomas (losing value around the league, known attitude problem, just athleticism and potential at this point) and John Salmons, who is just an average role player who isn't a good defender. Nate Robinson I guess could tip the scales on that trade, but it is debatable. He is already an overachiever and his stats are inflated in New York because of the run and gun system they run up there. I think that the clear beneficiary in this trade is Chicago, because the Knicks wouldn't use Thabeet and Brad Miller is over the hill...James Johnson might be a good pick up for them except that they are shelling out a first rounder in the deal...so at best those two things cancel each other out. Meanwhile, Chicago gets one up and comer, one proven defender and a first round pick to boot. Just my opinion.

What if I drop the 1st round pick for new York. Memphis is known to for not spending money on players, they let Pau Gasol go for a little bit of nothing. I have a feeling L.James, D.Wade, and C.Bosh are not going anywhere, so that leaves possibly Gay, Boozer, maybe Stoudamire. I control all 30 teams, but I only play with the Bulls and Gay is the only guy I have interest in.