An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[I Djm]

Quote: Originally Posted by SaruAqua

This. Lol at comparing the east in Jordan's day to now. In the 80's/90's, the East was equivalent to what the west is today. As great as they were, are we forgetting that the '87 Lakers had to beat the 37 win Nuggets, 42 win Warriors, and 39 win Sonics just to get to the Finals from the west? Now, of course they bet the Bird-led Celtics so it essentially somewhat doesn't make their competition look as lopsided but it shows that their road TO THE Finals wasn't that tough. Or the fact that the '91-'93/'96-'98 Bulls had to beat five 57+ win teams ('92 Cavs, '93 Knicks, '96 Magic, '97 Heat, '98 Pacers) just to get to the Finals? And I mean BEAT them, not just face them. People always point out that Jordan was 1-9 in the P/O before Pippen came, completely ignoring the fact that Pippen was a role player in '88 and '89 while the Bulls got to the ECSF and ECF, losing both times to Detroit. When MJ got swept in '86 and '87, it was by those same Bird-led Celtics that were on the same tier as the Showtime Lakers adding to the equation that Orlando "Crackhead" Woolridge and Charles Oakley were the Bulls' 2nd options. Is it LeBron's fault that the East is so weak right now? No. Are we blaming him? No. But to blatantly ignore how easy the road to the Finals from the East is and kiss LBJ's feet for shooting 40%FG vs the Bulls and Hawks is ignorance. His 3 previous runs were greater because of his greater play (efficiency), particularly '11 when the Heat beat the 56 win Celtics and 62 win Bulls.

Aye 11' heat v bulls was rigged don't speak of it again

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[I Djm]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

Mike mentioned team chemistry is more important this year. I really hope it means it's what I've wanted for some time-- good shot distribution and expected touches needed to keep teammates involved and humming in a game in all modes, and players who are frozen out being cold and upset. And I want this in ALL games and modes. This would affect everything holistically for the better, from better game to game simulation, to more realistic MyCareer, to a more realistic approach to team building in association-- to even MyTeam, so you can't just build a team full of superstars. I want to see attempting that being a challenging endeavor itself, just like it is in real life. Holy nuts. 37% and sub 30 from three. I'd give Kobe a 78 just to be generous.

We'll see but im betting teammates still gonna miss too many open looks and won't be to takeover especially if their the star of the team

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[BlessingSpore72]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

No other team was as equipped to take advantage of the changes, which is why they dominated to the degree that they did. 1996: 115.2 ORTG (1st), 40.3 3PT% (3rd), 13.1 TO% (1st), 36.9 ORB% (1st) 1997: 114.4 ORTG (1st), 37.3 3PT% (6th), 12.5 TO% (1st), 35.9 ORB% (2nd) 1998: 107.7 ORTG (9th), 32.3 3PT% (23rd), 13.3 TO% (4th), 35.7 ORB% (2nd) Find the variable.

A friend of mine and myself have been saying this for a while that there should be an * by that 72 wins. It was a huge advantage for them, and definitely contributed to a few more wins. no other team had 2 players like Pippen and Jordan who were mediocre to poor at 3s and then went to amazing at 3s, for guys who shot the ball so much

[jfsolo]

Quote: Originally Posted by BlessingSpore72

A friend of mine and myself have been saying this for a while that there should be an * by that 72 wins. It was a huge advantage for them, and definitely contributed to a few more wins. no other team had 2 players like Pippen and Jordan who were mediocre to poor at 3s and then went to amazing at 3s, for guys who shot the ball so much

An asterix? What a world we live in now where nonsensical arguments are put forth without an ounce of self awareness of the level of inanity contained in them.

[DocHolliday]

I hope this new scale allows for some real statistical outliers in the sim engine. Guys that have great years and pop a 15 rebound average or a 35 PPG average.




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[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

No other team was as equipped to take advantage of the changes, which is why they dominated to the degree that they did. 1996: 115.2 ORTG (1st), 40.3 3PT% (3rd), 13.1 TO% (1st), 36.9 ORB% (1st) 1997: 114.4 ORTG (1st), 37.3 3PT% (6th), 12.5 TO% (1st), 35.9 ORB% (2nd) 1998: 107.7 ORTG (9th), 32.3 3PT% (23rd), 13.3 TO% (4th), 35.7 ORB% (2nd) Find the variable.

Every ruleset is going to favor certain teams over others. Like I said, the rest of the league shot with the lines painted in the same place. Sure, it looks like the Bulls were built to take advantage of that better than most, and were balanced more precariously on that edge between being a good and poor 3-point shooting team (interestingly it seems to have affected Ron Harper the most, where he shot 19% from 3 in '98), but there's no unfair advantage that demeans the 72-win accomplishment. Every other team had the shortened 3-point line at their disposal. Every other team could have adjusted their roster and strategy accordingly. That '98 team still won 62 games and the championship when the line was moved back, after that roster crested it's prime.

I mean you could easily asterisk the Warriors for being so 3-point centric and reliant on a shot that has a 50% bonus payoff that's only 5-7 percent lower in make percentage over the average mid-range as compared to years before there even was a 3-point line, or years where hand checking might might have made it more difficult to shoot off the dribble, or where their defensive schemes and adjustments like not guarding Toney Allen would have been considered illegal defense. And I'm saying this as a giant Warriors homer.

Now if we're trying to compare teams across generations and differing rulesets in a fantasy head-to-head matchup, it's certainly something to consider, depending on whose rules we're playing under. But those classic teams operated under rules that would dull the strengths of some modern teams and vice versa.

If anything, I would point to the dilution of the league due to expansion teams during the 72-win run. It's one reason why Kerr doesn't think the record will be broken. The other being Jordan was a maniac.

As far as conference balance goes, it remains that whenever the Jordan Bulls made it out of the East, they defeated whatever team in the West they encountered in a 7-game series. SIX TIMES. In TWO Three-Peats.

Lebron certainly has not been able to do that in what is at least as comparatively weak a conference or worse. I mean just this year the Cavs had only to go through a sub-500 Celtics, an injured Bulls team, and an injured Hawks team with no superstar to begin with. For all the "asterisking" GSW haters do, the Warriors at least went through 3 rounds in the West against teams all featuring NBA First-Teamers and were able to field them at full health. Sure, Lebron didn't have the teams Jordan had these last two years-- but that's kind of the point being made, isn't it?


So while the Bulls may have had an easier road to the Finals in certain years (like the Heat/Cavs have had nearly every year), any argument that suggests the Bulls were great mainly because of a weak conference is a complete non-starter. I would say the same for similar arguments diminishing Lebron's legacy as a player (except where we're supposed to be awed by .40 FG% this year), but the Finals evidence is much more airtight in vindicating the Jordan Bulls from such claims.

[BellSKA]

I apologize if this has been brought up. I quickly went over the threads and could have missed what I want to say.

This looks to cover the actual NBA players. Have we seen anything about how our created MyPlayers are going to compare to this new ratings system? I would like to see what 2K plans on doing to combat Cs that can run point, pass with low TOs, and hit 3's from 30 feet.

Not trying to derail the original thread, just curious if the new ratings system will come into play for created MyPlayers.

I do like this change and am really interested in seeing it in motion. While I agree with some it does seem subjective. It's moderately subjective at best. Numbers are numbers. Hopefully some sort of balancing was accounted for in comparing eras.

[24ct]

For CAP there just needs to be attribute caps for height and weight. Taller means higher block cap but lower dribbling cap. More weight less speed and vertical vs less weight being quicker and higher vertical etc. That's the only way they can prevent godly players. I was actually reading about live and they have this option this year so hopefully 2k does the same.