Too Many "Pedro Martinez" Type Changeups?

[Keirik]

I play on All Star, zone pci off button hitting. I almost always only use x to hit as i tuned tje sliders for more power since i personally prefer a one button type of batting.

What i notice though is far too many pitchers have devastating changeups. I feel that its a bit unrealistic. Only elite pitchers really have great changeups like this. Am i alone in this? Any tips? Any solution? Id up pitch speed but i dont think that sould help without also just speeding up fastballs too much as well.

[RogueHominid]

One issue that people have noted relates to pitch speed differential. Too many pitchers in The Show have a larger gap between their FB and their CH than they have in real life, making the pitch more effective than it should be irrespective of movement.

The other issue, which I do see, is that even average pitchers often have a CH that appears to fall off a table, beginning at the belt and ending way out of the zone. Some people have that pitch, but most don't get that much break that late in the pitch's path.

With regard to movement, I know the new pitch trajectories represent a move toward more realistic representation of pitch movement. Hopefully in the future this becomes even more rigorous and realistic.

[Baseball Purist]

Quote: Originally Posted by Trojan Man

One issue that people have noted relates to pitch speed differential. Too many pitchers in The Show have a larger gap between their FB and their CH than they have in real life, making the pitch more effective than it should be irrespective of movement. The other issue, which I do see, is that even average pitchers often have a CH that appears to fall off a table, beginning at the belt and ending way out of the zone. Some people have that pitch, but most don't get that much break that late in the pitch's path. With regard to movement, I know the new pitch trajectories represent a move toward more realistic representation of pitch movement. Hopefully in the future this becomes even more rigorous and realistic.

Agree 100%. I wonder if the speed differential is being addressed in a patch. I would agree that far too many pitchers in the game have devastating movement on their off-speed pitches. I love how the movement was implemented, just too many pitchers in the game have HOF offspeed stuff.

[Keirik]

Exactly right, both of you two. Glad im not the only one seeing it. It just takes a tiny bit away when almost every pitcher that has a changeup in their repitore have a 20 mph difference and disguise the pitch perfectly.

[jcar0725]

I've noticed it too. I actually have to look for the change up in order to hit it, and that's even for average pitchers.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Keirik

Only elite pitchers really have great changeups like this. Am i alone in this?

I very much disagree with this statement.

Often times the best pitch mediocre pitchers have is their changeup.

As an example. Dallas Braden made it in the Majors as long as he did because his changeup was so devastating.

The rest of his pitches were nothing but mediocre which is why he is no longer pitching.


Pedro's changeup was as devastating as it was because of how fantastic his other stuff was.

[Keirik]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

I very much disagree with this statement. Often times the best pitch mediocre pitchers have is their changeup. As an example. Dallas Braden made it in the Majors as long as he did because his changeup was so devastating. The rest of his pitches were nothing but mediocre which is why he is no longer pitching. Pedro's changeup was as devastating as it was because of how fantastic his other stuff was.

Pedros changeup was devastating because it looked like his fastball coming out but was much slower and dropped off the table, like every pitcher in this game. Agree to disagree, but pedro had a fantastic change. It wasnt just because his other pitches were good.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Keirik

Pedros changeup was devastating because it looked like his fastball coming out but was much slower and dropped off the table, like every pitcher in this game. Agree to disagree, but pedro had a fantastic change. It wasnt just because his other pitches were good.

I'll agree to disagree as well but look at any pitchers fastball/change. The change is effective because it does just that, looks like a fastball and then drops off.

I'm not diminishing Pedro's was superior to most, but I'm not seeing that difference in the game (other the things already mentioned) nor would I agree that you have to be an elite pitcher to have an elite changeup.

That's probably a discussion for a different forum though lol.