MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

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Quote: Originally Posted by Apostle

I'm not telling people what to say or what opinion to have, but these commentary comments are getting old. This isn't directed at you specifically Lewis, but it's more than obvious that commentary is the weakest element to this game. I have faith that the SCEA team will improve it in the future, but I really just think that people get the point on the commentary. Again, no disrespect intended, but it is echoed way too much in my opinion. We all get it.

Well this is kind of a two-way street here. If people keep hearing the same commentary, they will continue commentating on its staleness. I'm just saying...

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Quote: Originally Posted by sroz39

Really not sure what people are expecting here. 10 was arguably the best sports game of all-time, yet people want to see something completely different in 11? Doesn't make any sense. Anyways, personally, I know that to get a full scope of the gameplay improvements, especially in this series, I have to actually PLAY the game. So much of the year-to-year improvements are tied to feel with The Show that I'm not gonna judge harshly based on a video. Besides, I have nothing negative to say. Game looks stupid realistic, lighting is out-of-this-world, stances and deliveries aren't perfect but more than good enough (and better than any game's done in any baseball game) and just through a video, gameplay improvements are evident (like the aforementioned missed ball by the outfielder). Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm just not really understanding what people's expectations are when it comes to annual sports game releases. Even the commentary isn't as bad as this poorly edited video shows. I look forward to release day anxiously.

Couldn't agree more.

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Quote: Originally Posted by jestep123

Personally, I find the "if it aint broke dont fix it" argument kind of disheartening. Yes, MLB 10 the Show was a GREAT game but lets remember some things. It had its flaws The only competition is 2k which IS improving It is only fair to expect more out of the MLB 11 version. These games arent cheap. These days, you have to blow people away to get whatever discretionary income they have out of them. To 2k's credit, they did that, hands down, with NBA 2k11, from the first time we saw gameplay footage to release day they did that. There is no denying that. I love the Show series, I preorder it every year. I spent 300 for a PS3 for one game and I know I could make a whole fan club out of people whom have done the same. That being said, a hard earned $65 is a hard earned $65. I think people were expecting more. I havent seen many that say they think this game wont be good, I think alot of folks were just hoping for a little more when they clicked on the link. I had an adreniline rush and what I got didnt match that. Its like when you are a kid on Christmas morning and you asked Santa for a Nitendo and your parents play that trick on you where they wrap carnigans and arygle socks in boxes that look like they could be Nintendo boxes and make you open those before they finally pull out the Nintendo (Maybe only my mom did that but it was traumatic)? Anyway, that's what it was like when I clicked on the link. I was looking for a Nintendo, instead I got a cordory sport coat. You know what I am saying?

You make good points but the question I'd pose to you is, are you saying all of this just after watching this one video inside this thread? I'd agree that in spots the video was underwhelming, but I feel it was poorly put together and poorly edited.

It happens every year... Videos get released, leaked, whatever... Most of the time, these videos are NOT the final build of the game. People complain about stances but is it taken into account that stances are the last thing that SCEA adds to the game? A development cycle year is probably not enough, and that is why people will ALWAYS be disappointed in some aspects of the game (like Wrigley not being updated much). There's only so much they can get to. I'd suggest people who feel this way to hold out and only buy the game every couple of years.

I'll never make a judgment on a game until I play it - period. That's why the internet is great, because we can read reviews and impressions from other gamers and if we're really smart, we'll *rent* the game before spending that hard earned $65. I used to do this myself, but I learned that waiting is not a bad thing. Like you, I expect a lot from a game that I drop $65 on, but I also have resources at my disposal (OS is one) to help me decide whether I am making a smart buying decision.

The bottom line is, no one should really feel cheated because if they rush out and buy a game without doing some research and waiting it out, they really have no one to blame but themselves. If they rent it and spend three or four days playing it, they'll have a much better idea on whether they will get their money's worth by choosing to buy or not to buy.

People expect more year to year, but I guess I am just at a loss on how much people expect this game to be improved. It's the best sports game I've ever played, period. To me, getting major improvement on the player models and lighting was huge. I guess I am not just not too sure on how much people expect this game to improve considering it has such a mass following and so many people claiming that it's the best sports game they have ever played...

I guess the bottom line is there's no excuse for anyone to say, "I wasted my $65 because this game doesn't meet my expectations." To that I say, "That's on you. Be a better consumer." As harsh as that might be, it's merely just common sense.

I'd urge people to not judge the game by this video alone. It's not doing the game any justice.

[Dazraz]

Amazing how this game continues to look better year after year. The lighting is quite spectacular.

However the commentary is getting boring. Karros seems to just say the exact same lines as Hudler. If anything the commentary seems more disjointed than ever. Maybe that's just my reaction to hearing the same old lines all over again. Sony seems to have pulled the common developer stunt of bringing in a new voice in attempt to freshen up the commentary without actually freshening up the commentary.

My worry this year is that MLB the Show may start to feel stale quick. Hopefully there are a few nuggets tucked away in the game to keep it feeling new. 2K may well steal a few fans this year who want a fresh experience.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Apostle

People expect more year to year, but I guess I am just at a loss on how much people expect this game to be improved. It's the best sports game I've ever played, period. To me, getting major improvement on the player models and lighting was huge. I guess I am not just not too sure on how much people expect this game to improve considering it has such a mass following and so many people claiming that it's the best sports game they have ever played...

This is I guess where we then save the debate of "should sports games have two-year development cycles" for another thread, though it's a topic worth discussing nonetheless.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Well this is kind of a two-way street here. If people keep hearing the same commentary, they will continue commentating on its staleness. I'm just saying...

Is it the same though?

I am not going to judge the commentary on a couple of edited gameplay videos.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Apostle

Is it the same though? I am not going to judge the commentary on a couple of edited gameplay videos.

Well there's a difference between judging the lines and judging the formula. The lines might change up, and in fact they might even have some more instances of actually referring to each other in the booth. The formula remains unchanged, however. There won't be back-and-forth chatter, and only one of the color commentators will chime in at a time after an eventful instance (be it a pitch off the corner or a grand slam). I think the most difficult part is they sound like stage actors, or like they're literally reading off a script and trying to project, enunciate, all of that good stuff. The best thing they could do is also probably the easiest, but difficult to manage: just talk. Talk fluidly like you do when you do commentary for a real game. There's no need to impress anyone, just chatter. That's all.

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Points well taken but lets be clear that this video was not leaked. This video was part of the "Mauer Monday's" promo. If we can agree on that, then it is fair to say this isnt some hack or pirate that got an early copy of the game. This video was put together by somebod(ies) and then likely approved by someone else.

The dev cycle point is an interesting one. I get it. They cant or dont want to do this or that. Understandable. The problem is that the game changes, or in some case doesnt, but the release day price never does. That is why you see people making buying decisons off of videos. That, and the expectation that, for the amount of money you are asked to spend, the marketing machines behind these games would want to put their best feet forward.

The argument about dev cycles is flawed to me. Its their endevor not mine. Its not like they dont have anything to gain. The biannual dev cycle is not an option because of the dollars that would be left on the table.

Its my opinion that you do have the right to expect drastic differences from year to year, especially if the price point doesnt move or goes higher.

As far as the vid being discussed here, the differences are not drastic and it sure doesnt put the game's best foot forward. Underwelming is a good description and that is suprising for as big a fan as some of us are and for this group as a whole.