MLB 09 The Show Official Box Art

[JT30]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

So the AL pitchers face tougher lineups, I don't argue that. I don't argue that interleague play has been the favor of the AL. I don't argue any of the stats/facts that you posted. But what does any of this have to do with A-Rod vs Pujols and the discussion we were having? You mean to tell me that such pitchers as; Lincecum, Sabathia(Brewers), Sheets, Maddux, Johnson, Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, and Hamels aren't good simply because they face a lineup that doesn't have a DH? Are you serious? And just for fun, Pujols has a batting average of .429 in the All-Star game. So it doesn't seem to matter who's pitching, the man is a terrific hitter. I don't see where this has any bearing one way or the other on who the better all around player is between A-Rod and Pujols. But hey, nice subject change.

Changing subjects? Huh? You just made a point saying the NL has as good or better pitching than the AL. You also said Pujols doesnt play in an inferior league, when that simply isnt the case. The NL is not even close to the AL.. and the only way we can compare that is by interleague play. So when Arod's number's may not be "as good" as Pujols when it comes to hitting... did you ever think that maybe AL pitching had something had to do with it?

[JT30]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

So the AL pitchers face tougher lineups, I don't argue that. I don't argue that interleague play has been the favor of the AL. I don't argue any of the stats/facts that you posted. But what does any of this have to do with A-Rod vs Pujols and the discussion we were having? You mean to tell me that such pitchers as; Lincecum, Sabathia(Brewers), Sheets, Maddux, Johnson, Santana, Zambrano, Oswalt, and Hamels aren't good simply because they face a lineup that doesn't have a DH? Are you serious? And just for fun, Pujols has a batting average of .429 in the All-Star game and a .344 batting average in interleague play. So it doesn't seem to matter who's pitching, the man is a terrific hitter. I don't see where this has any bearing one way or the other on who the better all around player is between A-Rod and Pujols. But hey, nice subject change.

And if you look at my initial post, I said that Pujols is probably the better hitter between the two and his numbers are fantastic..I am not disputing that... but as far as the best all around player in baseball... Arod has my vote.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by JT30

And if you look at my initial post, I said that Pujols is probably the better hitter between the two and his numbers are fantastic..I am not disputing that... but as far as the best all around player in baseball... Arod has my vote.

I did read your intial post and you said the numbers don't lie that shows that A-Rod is the better all around player. I asked what those numbers were and here we are.

[JT30]

Yes here we are..lol. Well in any event, we can agree to disagree. I was simply using the argument about Arods numbers not being up to Pujol's numbers based on the leagues they play in. I guess until Pujols gets traded to the AL and Arod to the NL, we can argue about this for days... but I have better things to do

[JT30]

But on another note, being a Sox fan.. I would have gladly accepted Pujols on the cover of The Show 09 rather than Arod... anytime But I still think Arod is the best all around player in baseball.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by JT30

Changing subjects? Huh? You just made a point saying the NL has as good or better pitching than the AL. You also said Pujols doesnt play in an inferior league, when that simply isnt the case. The NL is not even close to the AL.. and the only way we can compare that is by interleague play. So when Arod's number's may not be "as good" as Pujols when it comes to hitting... did you ever think that maybe AL pitching had something had to do with it?

then how do you explain Pujols' .344 batting average in interleague play and his .429 batting average in the All Star game?

And I don't believe the NL is inferior to the AL. You make it seem as though Pujols doesn't face any tough pitchers in the NL and thats not true. Who had the ML strikeout leader last year and the runner up? Who had 3 of the top 5 pitchers in the majors in terms of lowest ERA?

I know, you're going to argue that DH vs pitcher, but thats such a small sample especially when pitchers are pinch hit for or bunt runners over. In my opinion, it pretty much equals out. And lets leave those 2 postitions out for a moment, what about the other 8 guys in the lineup? Don't they account for anything? Are there no good hitters in the NL?

[JT30]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

then how do you explain Pujols' .344 batting average in interleague play and his .429 batting average in the All Star game? And I don't believe the NL is inferior to the AL. You make it seem as though Pujols doesn't face any tough pitchers in the NL and thats not true. Who had the ML strikeout leader last year and the runner up? Who had 3 of the top 5 pitchers in the majors in terms of lowest ERA? I know, you're going to argue that DH vs pitcher, but thats such a small sample especially when pitchers are pinch hit for or bunt runners over. In my opinion, it pretty much equals out. And lets leave those 2 postitions out for a moment, what about the other 8 guys in the lineup? Don't they account for anything? Are there no good hitters in the NL?

No, I am not gonna argue about the DH vs pitcher thing, but if you really, honestly think that the NL is as good as the AL.. more power to you, because I must be watching a different game.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by JT30

No, I am not gonna argue about the DH vs pitcher thing, but if you really, honestly think that the NL is as good as the AL.. more power to you, because I must be watching a different game.

I guess.