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Old 01-07-2013, 09:15 PM   #1
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2013 OSFM: St. Louis Cardinals

2013 St. Louis Cardinals 40-man Roster
Pitchers

-- Michael Blazek
41 Mitchell Boggs
62 Barret Browning
-- Keith Butler
29 Chris Carpenter
-- Randy Choate
63 Maikel Cleto
-- Eric Fornataro
61 Sam Freeman
54 Jaime Garcia
58 Joe Kelly
31 Lance Lynn
66 Victor Marte
40 Shelby Miller
30 Jason Motte
44 Edward Mujica
-- Jorge Rondon
64 Trevor Rosenthal
34 Marc Rzepczynski
59 Fernando Salas
52 Eduardo Sanchez
-- Kevin Siegrist
50 Adam Wainwright
35 Jake Westbrook

Catchers
48 Tony Cruz
4 Yadier Molina

Infielders
53 Matt Adams
13 Matt Carpenter
21 Allen Craig
33 Daniel Descalso
23 David Freese
15 Rafael Furcal
8 Ryan Jackson
38 Pete Kozma
-- Ty Wigginton

Outfielders
3 Carlos Beltran
56 Adron Chambers
7 Matt Holliday
19 Jon Jay
43 Shane Robinson


Projected 25 Man Roster
CF Jay
RF Beltran
LF Holliday
1B Craig
C Molina
3B Freese
SS Furcal
2B Descalso

Projected Bench
C Tony Cruz
IF Pete Kozma
IF/OF Matt Carpenter
IF/OF Ty Wigginton
OF Shane Robinson

Rotation
Wainwright
Carpenter
Garcia
Westbrook
Lynn

Bullpen
Motte
Boggs
Rosenthal
Rzepczynski
Mujica
Choate
Salas

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Other Players included
C Rob Johnson
C J.R. Towles
1B Xavier Scruggs
2B Kolten Wong
3B Jermaine Curtis
SS Greg Garcia
SS Jake Lemmerman
IF/OF Jamie Romak
OF Justin Christian
OF Mike O'Neill
OF Oscar Taveras
C Steve Bean
C Adam Ehrlich
C Audry Perez
C Cody Stanley
2B Starlin Rodriguez
2B/SS Breyvic Valera
3B Carson Kelly
3B Stephen Piscotty
3B Patrick Wisdom
SS Alex Mejia
OF Anthony Garcia
OF Lance Jeffries
OF Charlie Tilson
OF C.J. McElroy
OF James Ramsey
OF/2B Colin Walsh
1B Jeremy Schaffer
SS Matt Williams
OF Chris Swauger


SP Scott Gorgen
SP Seth Maness
SP Carlos Martinez
SP Michael Wacha
SP Nick Additon
SP John Gast
SP Tyler Lyons
SP Jay Voss
RP Adam Reifer
RP Nick Greenwood
SP Tyrell Jenkins
SP Seth Blair
SP Boone Whiting
SP Tim Cooney
RP Dixon Llorens
RP Jordan Swagerty
SP Anthony Ferrara
SP Victor De Leon
SP Robert Stock
SP Ben Freeman
RP Justin Wright
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Old 01-07-2013, 09:16 PM   #2
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1) Oscar Taveras, OF, Grade A: One of the easiest grades in the book. Outstanding hitter for power and average, and he improved his baserunning and defense. Next great Cardinals star? Seems like it to me.

2) Shelby Miller, RHP, Grade A: Terrific second half of the season saved his A rating from last year. Still looks like a rotation anchor to me, just needs to stay healthy.

3) Carlos Martinez, RHP, Grade A-: Borderline B+: Still has some rough edges but he made enough progress that I'm comfortable bumping him up a notch. Like Miller, he can be a top of the rotation guy if he avoids injury. He's moved very quickly and if I were the Cardinals I think I would slow things down a little and avoid bringing him to the majors in 2013 unless nobody else is available.

4) Trevor Rosenthal, RHP, Grade B+: Borderline A-: Another very live arm who could pitch at the top of the rotation eventually, or perhaps become a power closer.

5) Michael Wacha, RHP, Grade B+: Exceeded expectations in pro ball, granted the sample is small, but still. . .40/4 K/BB in 21 innings? Dang. I thought he was a future number three starter, but if he maintains the uptick in velocity he showed in pro ball, he's another guy you can build the rotation around.

6) Kolten Wong, 2B, Grade B: Solid but unspectacular season in Double-A, with his defense looking quite good and a decent hitting line. Looked good to me in Arizona Fall League. I still see him as a future regular second baseman who hits for average, gets on base, and provides a steady glove.

7) Matt Adams, 1B, Grade B: Poorly-timed injury, but he destroyed Triple-A pitching and given his track record I think he will eventually adapt to the majors. Like Wong, I don't see him as a star, but rather as a solid regular.

8) Tyrell Jenkins, RHP, Grade B-: His upside is as high as the guys above him, but injuries and command problems short-circuited him in Low-A. Disappointing, but the talent is still here.

9) Anthony Garcia, OF, Grade B-: I absolutely do not understand why this guy doesn't get more press. His power is very real, and even marginal improvements in the strike zone would result in a huge breakout. Crushed Low-A pitching.

10) Carson Kelly, 3B, Grade B-: Highest-ceiling and youngest of the third basemen drafted in 2012 by the Cards. Will also take the most time to develop. Needs more patience and defensive work. Profile is similar to Diamondbacks prospect Matt Davidson at the same stage of his career.

11) Patrick Wisdom, 3B, Grade B-: Excellent glove, and he hit better in the New York-Penn League than he did in college. Expect power and patience, we'll have to see about the batting average.

12) Stephen Piscotty, 3B, Grade B-: Nice solid line drive hitter, but he doesn't have Wisdom's glove nor Kelly's pure upside. That's a problem, since Piscotty's bat won't look as good in the outfield or at first base unless he boosts home run production.

13) Greg Garcia, 2B-SS, Grade C+: Wong's double play partner at Springfield is a strong yet overlooked prospect in his own right with very sound on-base skills. Stretched at shortstop, he's better at second base but that's Wong's position.

14) Seth Maness, RHP, Grade C+: Truly outstanding command helps mediocre velocity play up. Seems like he can be a sound inning-eater to me, or at worst an attractive trade chit for another team.

15) John Gast, LHP, Grade C+: A good arm from the left side, but erratic with his command and more likely to fit in the bullpen than the rotation for St. Louis.

16) Starlin Rodriguez, 2B, Grade C+: Another overlooked prospect who would get a lot more attention if he played in a weaker farm system. Good fielder, hit for average with some pop, strong performance in High-A. Good showing in Double-A will get him on the conveyer belt towards an opportunity of Wong doesn't pan out.

17) Ryan Jackson, SS, Grade C+: Very sound defensive player and can surprise you with his hitting at times. If you really need a shortstop, you could do a lot worse than just sticking Jackson in the lineup, hit him low in the order, and enjoy his fundamental play. More value for a real team than a fantasy one.

18) Maikel Cleto, RHP, Grade C+: Gotta respect the arm strength. Will he ever throw strikes well enough for the 100 MPH fastball to matter?

19) Tyler Lyons, LHP, Grade C+: Sleeper prospect who has more talent and pitched better than his 4.00+ ERA in Triple-A indicates. Would be a sneaky rotation candidate for some teams due to strike-throwing ability, but he gets lost in the crowd here.

20) Breyvic Valera, INF, Grade C+: Another sound infielder, this one advancing to Low-A for 2013. Hits for average, defense is promising at second base, could develop more power than people expect.


OTHER GRADE C+: Tim Cooney, LHP; Victor De Leon, RHP; James Ramsey, OF; Boone Whiting, RHP

OTHERS: Steve Bean, C; Michael Blazek, RHP; Keith Butler, RHP; Adron Chambers, OF; Victor De Leon, RHP; Adam Ehrlich, C; Eric Fornataro, RHP; Sam Freeman, LHP; Silfredo Garcia, RHP; Sam Gaviglio, RHP; Pete Kozma, SS: Jake Lemmerman, INF; Dixon Llorrens, RHP; C.J. McElroy, OF; Mike O'Neill, OF; Jorge Rondon, RHP; Kevin Siegrist, LHP; Lee Stoppelman, LHP; Jordan Swagerty, RHP; Charlie Tilson, OF; Colin Walsh, OF-INF

What can you say? This is one hell of a farm system. There is impact talent. There are future stars. And there are a lot of guys who project as solid role players to back them up.

The pitching. . .you have four guys in Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal, and Wacha who could be and should be rotation anchors. Jenkins has that kind of talent too, if he can refine it. There is a ton of pitching behind them, with a good mixture of strike-throwers (Maness, Lyons, Boone Whiting) and guys with hot arms. The Cardinals should never want for good relief pitching, and if even if some of the top guys get hurt or don't pan out, one of the efficiency experts could step in.

As history shows (Oakland's Four Aces, Generation K of the Mets, the Royals a couple of years ago), having a great batch of pitching prospects is no guarantee of success. There will be injury attrition, and someone will be a disappointment. But the point is to gather as many pitchers as possible to provide depth to cover for the inevitable failures, and the Cardinals are masters at doing this.

But the Cardinals also have lots of hitting to go with the pitching. Taveras will be a star, Wong and Adams look like regulars, and there are a bunch of guys who should be role players or strong contributors at least. The 2012 draft brought in additional bats, with particular depth at third base. If those guys thrive in 2013, this list will still look strong next year even if the top guys graduate.

Overall, this is an amazing system, a prospect factory. They find guys at big colleges, they find guys at small colleges, they find guys in junior college, they find and develop high school guys, they find and develop Latin American guys. They do everything.
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This is what I got for the Cards

Oscar Taveras A
Carlos Martinez A
Kolten Wong B
Michael Wacha B
Tyrell Jenkins B
Carson Kelly B

Tilson, Garcia, Piscotty & Wisdom are on the B/C borderline for me.
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B for Wisdom, Piscotty

C for Garcia and Tilson.

All preliminary, but thats what I'm leaning towards at the moment.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piscotty seems to have been groomed for a utility role. That's typically a C+ player but I would go B- on him.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Piscotty seems to have been groomed for a utility role. That's typically a C+ player but I would go B- on him.
Piscotty is an interesting case, and I think B- is perfect for him. Outstanding pedigree, was regarded as one of the top college bats as a 3B. Absolutely horrendous defensive stats have made it likely that he goes to LF. So we will see.
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