injury slider post patch

[nico117]

What are most of u guys using n franchise 4 ur injury slider? I kno there is a new bug w/ players not gettin off da DL unless games r simmed but r injuries still occuring @ same rate as before or r dey less frequent now? If so wat is a good setting 4 da slider?

[Blazzen]

I noticed a few less injuries. I bumped mine up from 10 to 15. 15 feels pretty good. So far in the first month I've had two minor injuries of 10 days to Alex Gonzalez and Freddie Freeman. Alex got hurt in a game I was actually played, dove for a ball and dislocated shoulder. Freddie happened in a simmed game.

[Hunkerdown]

25 currently, maybe higher, no injuries as of yet in late april

[nico117]

Cool. Thanks.

Blazzen,

Ive been @ 15 for inj slider and it seems right on. Along w/ ur sliders (just started using them in my last 5 games or so) my franchise is right on the $. Thanks.

P.S

For some reason Joe Mather is killing it for me! Guy was 4-5 last game vs the Nats on my chise w/ 3 RBI's!

[RogueHominid]

I think injury frequency was heavily tuned with the patch. Over the course of a full simulated season with the injury slider at 15, I saw only a handful of injuries. The worst thing that happened was that I lost a couple of position players for between a week and two weeks.

I'm going to sim through another season with the slider set to 25 and see what happens.

[RogueHominid]

@ 25 using the Angels: Test One

Spring Training:
-Matt Palmer, Shoulder, 4 days
-Torii Hunter, Knee, 13+ days

Regular Season:
-Torii Hunter, Elbow, 3+ days
-Maicer Izturus, Flu, 4+ days
-Scott Downs, Ankle, 6+ days
-Hank Conger, Hand, 7+ days
-Hank Conger, Lower Back, 7+ days
-Erick Aybar, Rotator Cuff, 14+ days

@ 50 using the Angels: Test One

Spring Training:
-Erick Aybar, Lower Back, 7+ days

Regular Season:
-Kevin Jepsen, Hand, 2+ days
-Joel Piñero, Wrist, 3+ days
-Dan Haren, Hand, 3+ days
-Jered Weaver, Toe, 3+ days
-Ervin Santana, Finger, 3+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Finger, 3+ days
-Teddy Cash, Arm, 5+ days
-Howie Kindrick, Ankle, 5+ days
-Vernon Wells, Arm, 6+ days
-Trevor Bell, Knee, 9+ days
-Howie Kendrick, Sprained PCL, 9+ days
-Peter Bourjos, Neck, 9+ days
-Jordan Walden, Toe, 11+ days
-Erick Aybar, Groin, 12+ days
-Torrie Hunter, Elbow, 13+ days
-Scott Kazmir, Hip, 14+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Fractured Ankle, 32+ days
-Ervin Santana, Fractured Ulna, 44+ days

@ 50 using the Angels: Test Two

Spring Training:

-Peter Bourjos, Forearm, 4+ days
-Torii Hunter, Leg, 4+ days
-Torii Hunter, Wrist, 5+ days
-Trevor Bell, Hand, 7+ days
Hisanori Takahashi, Groin, 7+ days
-Erick Aybar: Groin, 13+ days

Regular Season:

-Mark Trumbo, Forearm, 1+ day
-Erick Aybar, Forearm, 2+ days
-Torii Hunter, Forearm, 2+ days
-Jeff Mathis, Finger, 3+ days
-Peter Bourjos, Calf, 3+ days
-Matt Palmer, Hand, 3+ days
-Howie Kindrick, Bicep, 5+ days
-Hank Conger, Ankle, 6+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Arm, 6+ days
-Fernando Rodney, Bicep, 7+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Lower Back, 7+ days
-Trevor Bell, Calf, 8+ days
-Mark Trumbo, Bicep, 8+ days
-Alberto Callaspo, Knee, 9+ days


@ 50 using the Angels: Test Three

Spring Training:

-Mark Trumbo, Elbow, 2+ days
-Kevin Jepsen, Shin Splint, 7+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Shin Splint, 8+ days

Regular Season:

-Scott Kazmir, Shoulder, 3+ days
-Mark Trumbo, Rotator Cuff, 3+ days
-Arolex Bowen, Elbow, 4+ days
-Torii Hunter, Calf, 4+ days
-Maicer Izturus, Calf, 4+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Abdominal Strain, 4+ days
-Erick Aybar, Achilles 5+ days
-Mark Trumbol, Abdominal Strain, 5+ days
-Hisanori Takatashi, Neck, 6+ days
-Erick Aybar, Wrist, 6+ days
-Erick Aybar, Oblique, 6+ days
-Alberto Callaspo, Calf, 7+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Elbow, 7+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Ribs, 8+ days
-Mark Trumbo, Lower Back, 8+ days
-Torii Hunter, Fractured Finger, 13+ days
-Howie Kendrick, Ankle Ligament Rupture, 33+ days
-Vernon Wells, Torn Groin, 35+ days (pre-existing chronic injury to area)
-Torii Hunter, Torn PCL, 48+ days
-Dan Haren, Torn Cartiledge, 85+ days
-Dan Haren, Torn Rotator Cuff, 110+ days

@ 50 using the Angels: Test Four

Spring Training:
-Scott Kazmir, Forearm, 5+days
-Erick Aybar, Abdominal Strain, 11+ days
-Tyler Chatwood, Broken Toe, 18+ days

Regular Season:
-Kendrys Morales, Migraine, 1+ day
-Hank Conger, Calf, 2+ days
-Joel Piñero, Wrist, 3+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Dislocated Finger, 3+ days
-Fernando Rodney, Leg, 4+ days
-Howie Kendrick, Hip, 4+ days
-Maicer Izturus, Shoulder, 5+ days
-Matt Palmer, Strained Rotator Cuff, 5+ days
-Matt Palmer, Arm, 6+ days
-Torii Hunter, Hand, 6+ days
-Bobby Wilson, Bicep, 7+ days
-Torii Hunter, Hand, 7+ days
-Andrew Romina, Groin, 7+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Wrist, 8+ days
-Dan Haren, Shoulder, 8+ days
-Dan Haren, Wrist, 8+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Fractured Finger, 10+ days
-Torii Hunter, Hip, 10+ days
-Peter Bourjos, Fractured Finger, 11+ days

@ 50 using the Angels: Test Five

Spring Training:
-Ervin Santana, Knee, 3+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Knee, 6+ days
-Hank Conger, Calf Strain, 7+ days
-Erick Aybar, Strained ACL, 16+ days

Regular Season:
-Kendrys Morales, Forearm, 1 day
-Erick Aybar, Ankle, 3+ days
-Peter Bourjos, Flu, 3+ days
-Hisanori Takahashi, Hand, 4+ days
-Hank Conger, Rotator Cuff Strain, 5+ days
-Mark Trumbo, Hip, 6+ days
-Hank Conger, Shoulder, 8+ days
-Trevor Bell, Quadricep, 8+ days
Jordan Walden, Groin, 8+ days
-Maicer Izturus, Shoulder, 10+ days
-Maicer Izturus, Ribs, 12+days
-Cruz Clayton, Hip, 12+ days
-Howie Kendrick, Groin, 12+ days
-Kendrys Morales, Broken Hand, 13+ days
-Maicer Izturis, Strained ACL, 19+ days

Some Thoughts:

Five full simulated seasons isn't the largest sample size, but it's big enough to confirm my hunch that it's safe to go back to the default injury setting of 50 now that the patch is out.

I had been running my current franchise with the slider at 10 and saw only a handful of very minor injuries. At 25, we can see a few more injuries and slightly longer timeframes, but still not the amount of injuries you'd expect to see over a full season.

I would say that out of five seasons, injuries were only a huge factor in one: season three. Losing Kendrick, Wells, Hunter, and Haren two separate times for mor than a month killed the team. Season one saw Morales and Santana out for a month and change, but I consider that more middle of the road luck-wise. Seasons two, four, and five saw nothing but minor nagging injuries, so they would have been healthy years for the team as a whole.

A couple of other things:

1) Most of these injuries are the sort that you can have a guy play through. In season one, Kindrick was hurt for 14 days between the ankle and the PCL, but I might very well play him through most of the ankle injury if I really need him in the lineup.

2) With injuries bumped back up, you can really tell from a GM/coaching perspective what it means to commit yourself to a player with a history of injury. It's pretty clear who the regulars in the training room are on this Angels roster--having the injuries high enough to bring that out adds lots of depth to the experience in my opinion.

These numbers look to be a far cry from the out-of-the-box numbers that alarmed so many folks. I'd really welcome more discussion on the right setting for this slider, whether that's in the form of more simulated stats, speculations on the realism of these numbers, or whatever.