Madden NFL 25 Presentation Details, New Sideline Reporter Added (Name Not Revealed)

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

Your explanation was that they are doing as much as they can with as much as they have and that you wouldn't argue further about because you've been told what you've been told. Did I miss something somewhere? I'm assuming I did can you point me to where you explained why memory is the issue?

Ok I worded it wrong, I originally said space instead of memory, but this is my point.

The constant turnover with dev teams is a real problem, definitely, but the lack of memory is just as real. Now maybe if they would use the memory they are given more on things like gameplay and AI instead of 3d grass or insane levels of detail in all 32 stadiums, uniforms, cleats, gloves, etc... then the space would be used more efficiently. Only problem with that is then people would complain about stadiums, uniforms, cleats, gloves, grass, etc... So in order to make everyone happy, yes they need more memory to work with.

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

For current gen people's expectations have been too high based on what the devs were being told to do by the execs.

EA set peoples expectations years ago with that BS CGI Madden trailer, then said they would surpass that.

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That issue seems to be at least for m25, a thing of the past. I'm trying not to overly praise the game, just wish the OS crowd would be a little less pessimistic about a game they have yet to play. We shouldn't overly praise or criticize the game until we have some time hands on with it, is my point. Some people won't like it and some will, just have to play it to find that out.

1. you said the same thing about Madden 13.

2. What if someone said the OS crowd should be a little less optimistic. You spend way too much time here trying to "convince" people of things one way or the other. We are at the show me state with current generation Madden. Nothing you say positively or BFD (for example) says negatively is going to change anyone's mind at this point on current gen.

3. How about EA give the OS crowd something to be positive about? Horrendous late game CPU AI, money routes, swiss cheese defense, RT blocking glitch, speed being one of the most important ratings....you spend a lot of time blaming the OS crowd for their attitudes. While its clear to me that some people are mad about exclusivity and wrongly blame EA when exclusivity is the NFL's doing, its is also just as clear that the game is lacking when compared to other games (FIFA, and MLB to name two). EA has no one to blame but themselves for the sorry state of Madden on current gen and the large amounts of negative feelings and misstrust as this point in the game.

[The_Balm]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Ok I worded it wrong, I originally said space instead of memory, but this is my point. The constant turnover with dev teams is a real problem, definitely, but the lack of memory is just as real. Now maybe if they would use the memory they are given more on things like gameplay and AI instead of 3d grass or insane levels of detail in all 32 stadiums, uniforms, cleats, gloves, etc... then the space would be used more efficiently. Only problem with that is then people would complain about stadiums, uniforms, cleats, gloves, grass, etc... So in order to make everyone happy, yes they need more memory to work with.

100% agree.

In general when you have more stuff on the disk (higher resolution textures, more people, more complicated uniforms, stat banners etc.) you need more RAM to display it all at once.

[californ14]

I can't argue that RAM, memory, does not effect games, but I believe many of the issues with AI and CPU management is a result of poor programming and hack fixes over many, many years and development teams...

With M25, instead of fixing the core problems, they add back in and supposedly enhance a previous mode, "owner." Thus leaving legacy problems to plaque on....

This appears to show more of a concern by the dev. team to push a shiny, sell-able, window dressing, front and foremost, over an M25 with a mere selling point of, "we fixed all the legacy issues," AI and CPU game play....

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by californ14

I can't argue that RAM, memory, does not effect games, but I believe many of the issues with AI and CPU management is a result of poor programming and hack fixes over many, many years and development teams... With M25, instead of fixing the core problems, they add back in and supposedly enhance a previous mode, "owner." Thus leaving legacy problems to plaque on.... This appears to show more of a concern by the dev. team to push a shiny, sell-able, window dressing, front and foremost, over an M25 with a mere selling point of, "we fixed all the legacy issues," AI and CPU game play....

What about them overhauling the running game and completely redoing every run blocking play, fixing the technique and logic, adding foot planting, contextual awareness? Those are legacy issues people have been complaining about for years. Yes, they didn't overhaul pass blocking yet, but like Rex Dickson said they realized overhauling blocking would have to be done in two parts.

I'm not saying every core problem was fixed in M25 nor did I expect it to be, but to make it sound like they just focused on other things and didn't work on legacy issues is unfair.

[The_Balm]

Quote: Originally Posted by californ14

I can't argue that RAM, memory, does not effect games, but I believe many of the issues with AI and CPU management is a result of poor programming and hack fixes over many, many years and development teams... With M25, instead of fixing the core problems, they add back in and supposedly enhance a previous mode, "owner." Thus leaving legacy problems to plaque on.... This appears to show more of a concern by the dev. team to push a shiny, sell-able, window dressing, front and foremost, over an M25 with a mere selling point of, "we fixed all the legacy issues," AI and CPU game play....

I've been saying this for years! It seems to me the devs have a lot of band aids to work around. But they are fixing stuff.

[californ14]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

What about them overhauling the running game and completely redoing every run blocking play, fixing the technique and logic, adding foot planting? Those are legacy issues people have been complaining about for years. Yes, they didn't overhaul pass blocking yet, but like Rex Dickson said they realized overhauling blocking would have to be done in two parts. I'm not saying every core problem was fixed in M25 nor did I expect it to be, but to make it sound like they just focused on other things and didn't work on legacy issues is unfair.

They addressed half the issue on one side of the ball, leaving the pass blocking, and all parts of the defense abandoned to inject "owner" mode.

NOt to mention the tragedy that is player ratings and traits being just about useless.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by californ14

They addressed half the issue on one side of the ball, leaving the pass blocking, and all parts of the defense abandoned to inject "owner" mode.

No, that is not how it works they don't work on Owner Mode instead of gameplay, they have different teams that do different things. The amount of work spent on owner mode had nothing to do with them not fixing pass blocking. This is a common misconception among people that they spent time on one thing (owner mode) instead of another(pass blocking). The guys that work on something like pass blocking, don't have anything to do with connected franchise. It's no different than the guy at your office who handles customer service being blamed for one of your products not working properly.