Madden NFL 10 Gameplay Video: Eagles @ Cowboys (IGN)

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

How did he read that he was open? I'm not so sure I understand your inquiry. Though I personally think there was enough separation there, how open does a player have to be to constitute throwing a pass in his direction?

In Madden, I have no idea, hence my inquiry. In APF2K8 you never would have attempted to make that throw (not enough separation) as the player would have just jumped up and knocked the ball down. The only way it could have been completed is with a lot of touch on the ball, such that it was too high for the DB to jump up and knock it down.

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

I don't think you'd throw a fade from 30 yards out.

You can throw a fade from 10 yards out. All depends on coverage and the route.

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

It looked like a pass with some touch on it in my opinion (though not exactly a lob).

That's touch???

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

In Madden, I have no idea, hence my inquiry. In APF2K8 you never would have attempted to make that throw (not enough separation) as the player would have just jumped up and knocked the ball down. The only way it could have been completed is with a lot of touch on the ball, such that it was too high for the DB to jump up and knock it down.

Another 2K8 reference huh? I guess this is sort of subjective to your style of play. I say that b/c in APF (which I do own), or 2K5, I would've taken that chance on 1-on-1 coverage. I'd even say that in 2K5 there's a great chance that ball would be brought down especially with a WR with good hands.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

You can throw a fade from 10 yards out. All depends on coverage and the route.

That play wasn't 10 yards out, that's what I was saying. It didn't exactly resemble a bullet to me. So while it didn't appear to be a lob, it wasn't exactly a quick strike neither.

[Tampa Bay]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

I would still like to see evidence of route based passing and some actual 'touch' on a pass before I start wooing. Out of curiosity, how did the player read that Crayton was open for a pass? Other than the slight separation on when he ran the route, he looked covered to me. And the pass looked like a bullet pass, not a fade pass, so how was it read/thrown/completed?

To me it looked like the Eagles were in some kind of cover 1 call. The corner played outside technique like he was supposed to, but he bit on the post-corner route by Crayton. It looked like the QB released the ball with correct timing, as Crayton made the break to the corner, and threw an accurate pass.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Another 2K8 reference huh? I guess this is sort of subjective to your style of play. I say that b/c in APF (which I do own), or 2K5, I would've taken that chance on 1-on-1 coverage. I'd even say that in 2K5 there's a great chance that ball would be brought down especially with a WR with good hands.

It's what I know. Since Madden '09 was not fun to me personally, and APF2K8 is the game I have played the most, it's how I relate. Nothing wrong with that.

So you'd just throw the ball up in a 1 on 1 matchup and hope your guy could come down with the ball? I would never do that, regardless of the game.

The only way I would attempt that pass in APF2K8 would be with a Silver/Gold QB so I can get a lot of touch on the ball or with Max Passing and leading the WR so the ball is not within reach of the DB.

I still don't know how they read WR in the Madden footage so they know it's safe to pass the ball. Do you look at the separation between the DB/WR on the straight routes? If so, how much separation is necessary? Once you see the necessary separation, is there a way to lead the WR with the pass, or do you just throw it in there?

[RGiles36]

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

So you'd just throw the ball up in a 1 on 1 matchup and hope your guy could come down with the ball? I would never do that, regardless of the game.

Yes, certainly. The corner was out of position to make a play and more importantly, it would appear the ball was put in a place where only the WR could get it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Valdarez

I still don't know how they read WR in the Madden footage so they know it's safe to pass the ball. Do you look at the separation between the DB/WR on the straight routes? If so, how much separation is necessary? Once you see the necessary separation, s there a way to lead the WR with the pass, or do you just throw it in there?

Yes, lead passing has been in Madden for quite a few years (to my knowledge). Separation is separation man...it's not always how much space is there, but factor in who are you throwing to and who's defending. I don't think there's a rule-of-thumb to look for a specific amount of separation when passing the ball. That's why when I play 2K5, I put a lot of stock into drafting WR's with great hands (and solid route runners). So regardless of how open they may not be, they have a good chance to make the play.

[Valdarez]

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Yes, certainly. The corner was out of position to make a play and more importantly, it would appear the ball was put in a place where only the WR could get it.

Looks to me like the DB could have simply jumped up and made a play on the ball unless the WR was led, which doesn't look like he was based on the pass.

Quote: Originally Posted by rgiles36

Yes, lead passing has been in Madden for quite a few years (to my knowledge). Separation is separation man...it's not always how much space is there, but factor in who are you throwing to and who's defending. I don't think there's a rule-of-thumb to look for a specific amount of separation when passing the ball. That's why when I play 2K5, I put a lot of stock into drafting WR's with great hands (and solid route runners). So regardless of how open they may not be, they have a good chance to make the play.

Didn't realize that, never used it, how does lead passing work in Madden?

I still wouldn't throw in one on one unless accidentally (bad read/pass on my part). I read the defenses and find the open man, which is why I was wondering how they read he was open. The WR must have been open, he caught the ball and the DB didn't even try to make a play on the ball. Looks like the only way the pass could have been made is if he were lead / or a fade (lob) where the WR had to reach for it thus putting it out of the reach of the DB, and yet the pass looks like a straight line pass.

Going back to the original question, how do you read that the WR is open? Is the simple fact that he's above the DB instead of below him an indicator that he's open in Madden?

[Tampa Bay]

You look at the receiver. In the video the receiver is running a post-corner against man coverage with no safety help outside (the safeties playing the deep middle). The DB in man coverage can't defend the corner part of the route from a trailing position unless you lob up an air ball that gives him time to catch up.

[granddogg]

So i guess all the ppl complaining about this td catch want the CB who is not looking to jump up and either get a int or swat..?? Wait i thought yall said that was cheap