Madden NFL 09 Videos: IGN

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rawdeal28

telling an overweight person that thier fat and look like a hippo is not going to make them want to lose weight, but showing them the right way to eat and working with them just might change thier ways.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

First of all good post. Second, I'd ask - what's going to be considered overbearing? In other words, what can/can't be talked about so Ian isn't scared away or offended... I say this half-jokingly because I do think it's about people wanting to feel special, and feel they're directly contributing to Madden's development. At least in part, and there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't read all of Ian's comments or every thread that's popped up the past few weeks, so I don't know the tone with which he's been addressed directly. While there may have been a few people being outright disrespectful, for the most part I think most people have easily been more than appreciative of his access and candor than they have of probably any other developer. So we may be talking from different perspectives. What I'm seeing is "Now that Ian's here, we shouldn't complain like we used to and try to help him develop the game". Isn't that what many people have been doing without his presence? I thought that was the purpose of LBz's challenge, which brought this situation in the first place. It isn't about what 2K or Madden was, or what Madden will be - it's about what Madden is, right now. Personally I've never felt Madden "is what it is, nothing we can do about it". It is what we've allowed it to be. It's the only game I can think of where people allow themselves to have that "we can't do anything" attitude. Sorry if I appear to be all over the place w/the discussion - it's just that I don't know what we're debating. I'm happy Ian's here and he's being receptive to comments and suggestions. But because of that, does that make Madden '09 a throwaway year? Or a jump off point, where Maddens '06-'08 - and now I guess '09 - are magically forgotten?

I am going for the short answer.

Constructive criticism = Ok

Flaming criticism = no point & no value

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rawdeal28

what incentive does Ian have for bringing his other co-workers who work on the other parts of the game here to talk with us if its just going to be telling them they suck and should be fired?? or that u like a four year old game bettter than any next gen madden?? thats not helping anything or anyone.

I haven't read all the comments so if people were saying all that directly to him then that is ridiculous (and extremely rude). I only responded to someone making a seemingly valid observation about Madden '09 and heard "Ian already said [this] isn't going to change this year. So we're past that". That's the mentality I don't get I guess - the game hasn't even released and it seemed like I was hearing some things aren't to be complained about since Ian admitted it's not going to change this year. If Ian and the people he can round up truly desire to make the game better, imo that would be their incentive to visit and to interact with people here or on other sites.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rawdeal28

telling an overweight person that thier fat and look like a hippo is not going to make them want to lose weight, but showing them the right way to eat and working with them just might change thier ways.

Not necessarily a good analogy, because I'd think a person that's overweight usually recognizes they're overweight - just a matter if they choose to do something about it or not. If being called names makes the overweight person say "that's the reason I'm staying fat" - well, that's a problem with the individual. Personally I agree that calling someone hippo or fatty doesn't help the situation and is completely impolite/rude/insensitive. But depending on the person's personality, being called those names can motivate the person to go out and lose the weight. To seek out the help they need to lose the weight. Or it could cause them to go into a shell.

Either way, I'm not trying to sidetrack things. I hadn't posted much because the board's been very active and I've just been reading. I only posted because I was getting the feeling that it seems like legit criticism of Madden '09 is off limits because we have an EA dev here interacting w/the board.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

I only posted because I was getting the feeling that it seems like legit criticism of Madden '09 is off limits because we have an EA dev here interacting w/the board.

I understand, but that's not the impression I take. If a product comes out bad, then it should be criticized. I don't see the difference if there is a developer here or not. I'm sure the developer would love to hear constructive criticism to make the game better the following year.

As CB said, constructive criticism is always good, but the same old "why is this 4 years behind 2k, that isn't being very productive to the interaction of developer and posters.

[BigL]

The player models in the Giant/Pats video wwere improved from the first Giant/pats video that was released. Wilfork no longer has a washboard stomach which is good to see.

Other than that, it looks liek an upgrade over last years. Im not expecting anything fantastic. Hopefully they ironed out the bugs, and the PS3 version is as smooth as the 360s.

I also love how they cant show the entire starting lineups. Only the key players. Way to go EA.... NOT

[BrianFifaFan]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

First of all good post. Second, I'd ask - what's going to be considered overbearing? In other words, what can/can't be talked about so Ian isn't scared away or offended... I say this half-jokingly because I do think it's about people wanting to feel special, and feel they're directly contributing to Madden's development. At least in part, and there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't read all of Ian's comments or every thread that's popped up the past few weeks, so I don't know the tone with which he's been addressed directly. While there may have been a few people being outright disrespectful, for the most part I think most people have easily been more than appreciative of his access and candor than they have of probably any other developer. So we may be talking from different perspectives. What I'm seeing is "Now that Ian's here, we shouldn't complain like we used to and try to help him develop the game". Isn't that what many people have been doing without his presence? I thought that was the purpose of LBz's challenge, which brought this situation in the first place. It isn't about what 2K or Madden was, or what Madden will be - it's about what Madden is, right now. Personally I've never felt Madden "is what it is, nothing we can do about it". It is what we've allowed it to be. It's the only game I can think of where people allow themselves to have that "we can't do anything" attitude. Sorry if I appear to be all over the place w/the discussion - it's just that I don't know what we're debating. I'm happy Ian's here and he's being receptive to comments and suggestions. But because of that, does that make Madden '09 a throwaway year? Or a jump off point, where Maddens '06-'08 - and now I guess '09 - are magically forgotten?

I think we have an individual who embodies both my statements and answers your question about being overbearing. Yves? But to kind of wrap this up, it isn't that 09 is a throwaway. It's just in the can regarding a lot of issues, i.e. OL/DL WR/DB. Now are those issues and their shortcomings enough to make a person not purchase? That's on each person here. Now it's about what has been fixed and can be fixed still in 09's cycle. And getting together ideas for 10,11,12, etc. To beat the dead horse of what 09 ain't and using Ian or Simon or whoever is not helping. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet.

But here's what sad. Even if you "take your ball and go home," (not meaning you) you still aren't helping the situation. Heck, the person leaving might have some valuable insight that could be the lynchpin that ties everything together. To make a great game. Who knows? All I know is that complaining never got anything done. Rolling up your sleeves and pitching in does. Even if that means shutting your trap and holding a kneejerk, emotional response and forcing yourself to focus and create a meaningful addition to this board where WE can get something done.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Briankingsfan

I think we have an individual who embodies both my statements and answers your question about being overbearing. Yves? But to kind of wrap this up, it isn't that 09 is a throwaway. It's just in the can regarding a lot of issues, i.e. OL/DL WR/DB. Now are those issues and their shortcomings enough to make a person not purchase? That's on each person here. Now it's about what has been fixed and can be fixed still in 09's cycle. And getting together ideas for 10,11,12, etc. To beat the dead horse of what 09 ain't and using Ian or Simon or whoever is not helping. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. But here's what sad. Even if you "take your ball and go home," (not meaning you) you still aren't helping the situation. Heck, the person leaving might have some valuable insight that could be the lynchpin that ties everything together. To make a great game. Who knows? All I know is that complaining never got anything done. Rolling up your sleeves and pitching in does. Even if that means shutting your trap and holding a kneejerk, emotional response and forcing yourself to focus and create a meaningful addition to this board where WE can get something done.

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by Briankingsfan

I think we have an individual who embodies both my statements and answers your question about being overbearing. Yves? But to kind of wrap this up, it isn't that 09 is a throwaway.

lol yes, I hadn't seen that person's responses until today. Either way, I still think people have a right to be upset that this is year 4 next gen and we're already looking to year 5 to hopefully/possibly have Madden on the right track. I'm only saying that while I understand some are willing to give them as much time as they need to get the game straight, there are going to be others that aren't willing to continue being so patient. And imo that feeling is justified, since EA is the only developer that can make NFL games. I'm not endorsing people berating EA devs in any way, just saying that I think understanding should also be shown to those that are frustrated for having waited so long for a good NFL game - and are now being asked to wait longer.