Some Madden NFL 18 Game Style Details Revealed - Arcade, Simulation, Competitive

[adembroski]

Quote: Originally Posted by CT Pittbull

Maybe, just maybe now.... "The Year of the User" means Madden 18 will finally have somewhat of a VIP system like 2k had back in the day. And the AI is going to play like you and learn from your play style, essentially making HUM vs AI now HUM vs AI/HUM. lol Im trying to talk myself into good thoughts and away from the horrible thoughts that entered my mind when I saw that tweet.

There was nothing good about VIP. It was an AI system built to (badly) predict you based on inconsequential parameters.

No football game has gotten this right since Front Page/Sierra Sports. It's one of the reasons I hate Front Office Football. It's strategic AI is based on faulty ideas of how teams scout one another, and what factors are important in attempting to effectively game plan against opposing tendencies.

Until they get a system that can account for personnel groupings, formation adjustments at the line of scrimmage, and individual players thinking on the fly and remembering things from play to play, among many other factors, its' better teams simply play to their own real life base tendencies regardless of their opponent. At least that has some basis in reality.

[Armor and Sword]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

2nd one looked like a safety blitz, deserved to get burned, but the others are like some of the long pass plays I've seen, stupid AI playcalling and brain dead AI.

Yep....I had to house rule myself to only hot routing to a fly pattern once a game when I saw one on one press coverage vs the CPU.

Easy 6 almost every time.

I hope and pray Madden AI get’s a nice tuning for 18.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Americas Team

Yes, this is a big issue, if it wasn't for this Madden 17 would have been a way more difficult game but these plays belled me out so many times. I'm going to assume this has been fixed for 18.

Agreed, and I can safely say that Madden wasn't the only game that stuck out like this, but I'm hoping it's fixed too.

[NDAlum]

Quote: Originally Posted by Armor and Sword

Yep....I had to house rule myself to only hot routing to a fly pattern once a game when I saw one on one press coverage vs the CPU. Easy 6 almost every time. I hope and pray Madden AI get’s a nice tuning for 18.

I created like 3-4 CPB on D for the CPU and removed all the cover 1 press plays. It completely eliminated this problem

[cable guy]

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

There was nothing good about VIP. It was an AI system built to (badly) predict you based on inconsequential parameters. No football game has gotten this right since Front Page/Sierra Sports. It's one of the reasons I hate Front Office Football. It's strategic AI is based on faulty ideas of how teams scout one another, and what factors are important in attempting to effectively game plan against opposing tendencies. Until they get a system that can account for personnel groupings, formation adjustments at the line of scrimmage, and individual players thinking on the fly and remembering things from play to play, among many other factors, its' better teams simply play to their own real life base tendencies regardless of their opponent. At least that has some basis in reality.

Teams playing to their real life tendancies is huge.

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[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by adembroski

There was nothing good about VIP. It was an AI system built to (badly) predict you based on inconsequential parameters. No football game has gotten this right since Front Page/Sierra Sports. It's one of the reasons I hate Front Office Football. It's strategic AI is based on faulty ideas of how teams scout one another, and what factors are important in attempting to effectively game plan against opposing tendencies. Until they get a system that can account for personnel groupings, formation adjustments at the line of scrimmage, and individual players thinking on the fly and remembering things from play to play, among many other factors, its' better teams simply play to their own real life base tendencies regardless of their opponent. At least that has some basis in reality.

I take umbrage with the bold and I'm wondering if you're confusing the VIP from 2k, which originated on the Sega Dreamcast, with some other version. The poster you quoted mentioned 2k's VIP, which if it's the one from the Dreamcast, was awesome and ahead of it's time. I don't know this for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if that tech laid the groundwork for untold advancement in 2k's current AI systems, across the board.

I won't go too much into it but the VIP system theoretically would allow for giving in-game Coaches, GMs, players and general applicable AI distinct strategies and tendencies, based on actual Users. I even recall EA Tib hinting at a similar system in M15 for QBs http://www.goodgamebro.com/community...nts/9-jpg.851/

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I even recall EA Tib hinting at a similar system in M15 for QBs http://www.goodgamebro.com/community...nts/9-jpg.851/

Man, seeing stuff like that reminds me how important it is to temper expectations on any information coming in the next few weeks. Madden 17 QB's were dumb as rocks and probably all five of those areas in the photo are still in need serious work.

[roadman]

Wow, I don't recall marketing dropping that, but that is indefensible, no pun intended.