Interesting article about the future of Madden

[jpdavis82]

I believe this will only help the devs be able to get approval on making the game more sim oriented and competitively balanced.

http://themapstories.net/news/229954...r-esports-game


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[SolidSquid]

This is the last thing madden needs in my opinion. It's already geared towards the ESports player with its heavy focus on online modes like DC and MUT. Hell its basically the same argument we had that's sim vs Tourney players. Tourney players are the reason we don't have bad snaps, muffed hand offs, etc. They don't want the randomness to have an impact on the outcome of the game, where as offline sim CFm guys like my self would really welcome it as t would bring life to the game.

[Toupal]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

I believe this will only help the devs be able to get approval on making the game more sim oriented and competitively balanced. http://themapstories.net/news/229954...r-esports-game Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I sure hope so...

It kills me when they add cheesy things like drive goals, or those bubble that pop up on a player and follow them around. Yet it is impossible for them to add something like a stat/ score ticker on the bottom of the screen. Instead we are something like this:


When NCAA, and most CFM players want this:


If I wanted to play an "arcade" experience and get all the cheese in the world, I would just throw in NFL blitz on my ole' N64. But I don't want that, and this is 2016.... why has madden fallen so far behind every other sports title?

[jfsolo]

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advice pertaining to gameplay MUST come ONLY from eSports players.

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A smart and objective person from within the Madden eSports community is without question the best source of information for functional improvement that all fans of the series will enjoy.

A lot of solid points in the piece, but I would disagree with these two statements. Sure the eSports crowd should have a voice in the gameplay discussion, but to say that they should have the only voice is patently absurd.

No one who actually plays the game at all can have a P.O.V approaching objectivity, but I would argue that one who's sole purpose is about playing to win at all costs, would be less objective than someone for whom the gameplay experience/mechanisms themselves are the primary purpose.

As Squid points out, realistic random failure is a complete no go for the eSports crowd, and that right there puts an adamantium ceiling on the game's potential in terms of realism/authenticity.

[MajorSupreme]

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

As Squid points out, realistic random failure is a complete no go for the eSports crowd, and that right there puts an adamantium ceiling on the game's potential in terms of realism/authenticity.

Not really. There is no reason for missed snaps, dropped holds on kicks, the kicker slipping, etc. to not be optional. These would be under the options for a player to turn on and off, no different than changing the umpire variation settings in MLB the Show.

And these realistic random occurrences would automatically be turned off for online ranked games, MUT, tournaments, and whatever else they could possibly hinder.

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by Toupal

I sure hope so... It kills me when they add cheesy things like drive goals, or those bubble that pop up on a player and follow them around. Yet it is impossible for them to add something like a stat/ score ticker on the bottom of the screen. Instead we are something like this: When NCAA, and most CFM players want this: If I wanted to play an "arcade" experience and get all the cheese in the world, I would just throw in NFL blitz on my ole' N64. But I don't want that, and this is 2016.... why has madden fallen so far behind every other sports title?

Because of all the enabling. You have nonsense articles like the Forbes one, and then you have people willing to argue that somehow playing fantasy with presentation and animations is okay because it's a video game, even though the other top sports games aren't doing that and are all better games than Madden.

What you posted is a cool, simple thing they could easily do and it's a much better idea than what they have now because its immersive. It's the sort of thing you'd see other sports developers do, but we've reached a point now where we don't expect Madden Team to do that kind of thing, and that's sad.

Anyway, tourney play doesn't help sim, it hurts it. This is one of the reasons we got in this mess in the first place. That being said, I want bad snaps and all that, but it needs to be something attached to the responsibility of the person playing somehow.

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

A lot of solid points in the piece, but I would disagree with these two statements. Sure the eSports crowd should have a voice in the gameplay discussion, but to say that they should have the only voice is patently absurd. No one who actually plays the game at all can have a P.O.V approaching objectivity, but I would argue that one who's sole purpose is about playing to win at all costs, would be less objective than someone for whom the gameplay experience/mechanisms themselves are the primary purpose. As Squid points out, realistic random failure is a complete no go for the eSports crowd, and that right there puts an adamantium ceiling on the game's potential in terms of realism/authenticity.

Sim is objective though. Football is a straight-forward game. Assignments and responsibilities on a routine play being run as drawn aren't a matter of how I feel. If a RB is assigned to pick up a blitzing rusher in real life on a given play, he's supposed to do the same thing in a game calling itself a simulation. When he doesn't do that in the game and just decides not to block (which happens often in Madden btw), the game failed to meet simulation.

Madden as a product is mixed up on what it wants to be. It wants to be a sim with gameplay, but it does tons of unsim things. It wants to be a sim with presentation, but it does tons of unsim things. It wants to be a sim with animations, but it does tons of unsim things. And then with all of that, they promote it in a way as if it makes sense to do. With all of that being what it is, the real honest and fair question is, does Madden really WANT to be a sim? Or, is what they're doing exactly what they really want to do?

[SageInfinite]

I went into the article thinking "oh god". After reading though, somethings I definitely agreed with. I think Tiburon needs to just stop catering to a both crowds. Cater to the game of football. Cater to realism, then have sliders and options for those who want a looser experience. There's no reason to not have a "tourney" mode for those type of situations.

You're the only game. You're the standard. Build an NFL football experience first and for most.