Madden NFL 15 Top 5 Quarterbacks

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bootzilla

I agree with this. It's kind of like the "Styles make fights" argument. Kaepernick and Wilson aren't better quarterbacks than Manning or Brady. However, against the Seahawks Kaepernick is better than Manning because of his athleticism and ability to match up physically to the Seahawks. Who was better? Manning in the Superbowl or Kaepernick in the NFC championship game vs the Seahawks? And no I'm not speaking of pure stats. I'm speaking of effectiveness, i.e. a tipped pass away from winning vs getting blown out. Same can be said for Wilson. He was better against the Broncos in the Superbowl than Brady was vs the Broncos in the AFC championship game. Why? Because when Brady got pressured he was rendered pretty much helpless because he can't move. When Wilson got pressured vs the Broncos he escaped the pocket, bought a little extra time and converted several crucial 3rd downs.

One thing you all are missing is which QB's were still in there rookie contract. To really know how good the QB is, you have to wait for the QB to eat up much more of the salary cap where that extra money can't go into team depth. That's when you find the true value of the QB.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

You would need to factor in, somehow, the number of drive killing drops that reduce the # of offensive plays for your team. That would add completions, TD's etc.

Perhaps, but as a whole, you're talking about less than 1 per game more compared to league average. Without the precise context of every drop, it's impossible to say. You'd also have to then do the same thing for every other QB, and I'd imagine all numbers would rise a little bit. He may wind up in the same place, roughly.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheSaints7

hahaha. Sloppy with the ball? You clearly don't watch NFL. He's thrown for 5000+ yards 3 years in a row. 39 TDs last season and only 12 interceptions. He doesn't have an argument to put Wilson with any of the 3. Rodgers was the one with just 17 touchdowns last year.

You should double Rogers TD's. He was out half the season.

[bucky60]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Perhaps, but as a whole, you're talking about less than 1 per game more compared to league average. Without the precise context of every drop, it's impossible to say. You'd also have to then do the same thing for every other QB, and I'd imagine all numbers would rise a little bit. He may wind up in the same place, roughly.

I think a team that has a lot of drops wouldn't roughly end up the same as a team with few drops. 1 per game more? What, completions? TD? I think it would come out to more than 1 completion.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

I think a team that has a lot of drops wouldn't roughly end up the same as a team with few drops. 1 per game more? What, completions? TD? I think it would come out to more than 1 completion.

They had 13 more drops over a 16 game season than the league average. It's less than 1 per game.

[underdog13]

Remember Guys speed inflates the qb's OVR.

[Cavicchi]

Lots of dismay shot Wilson's way--hey, that rhymes!

Well, which elite QB had a worse receiver core? which elite QB had a worse offensive line? The Seahawks offensive line is much better at run blocking than pass blocking.

[Bootzilla]

Quote: Originally Posted by bucky60

One thing you all are missing is which QB's were still in there rookie contract. To really know how good the QB is, you have to wait for the QB to eat up much more of the salary cap where that extra money can't go into team depth. That's when you find the true value of the QB.

I agree that teams with good young quarterbacks on rookie contracts allow them to potentially field more talent around them.

However, Manning eats up a lot of cap space but according to CBS sports top 100 players in the NFL, the Broncos have the most players in the top 100 (Manning, Clady, Vasquez, D. Thomas, V. Miller, D. Ware, Talib, Ward). So, it is possible to field a strong team even if your quarterback has a big cap number.

My premise is this. The extra athleticism that Wilson, Kap, Luck, Rodgers, Cam have helps them against elite defenses. So, against most teams Brady and Manning will produce better numbers than a lot of these guys but, I may take those other guys vs the elite defenses.

Again, the examples I used were Brady vs the Broncos in the AFC championship and Wilson vs those same Broncos in the Superbowl. Wilson converted more 1st downs. Kept drives alive. And I'm sorry but Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate aren't any better than Edelman and Amendola. The extra time Wilson afforded them vs what Brady could provide was really the diffference. Neither the Hawks or Pats could generate a running game.