FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by at23steelers

Too many people are trying to correlate Boldin's speed that you said to the speed we know of that is used in Madden. But when everyone has the speed that Dcebb rates them, everyone's speed will be scaled down. Im not saying Boldin will be fast in his scale, but he probably won't be as slow as some people may think!

Well you make a good point here. I think that this system takes some getting used to. I get a lot of emails from people saying that why is so and so's speed rated so low, etc. In this way of ratings players, the average is truly an average. An 80 speed is no longer average for an NFL player; 70 is. This is the same for all other normalized raw attributes and dynamic attributes for each position. The normalization may make it seem like some players are "too slow" in comparison to how EA rates players. But keep in mind that ALL PLAYERS in my database have undergone this change. It's not that Boldin is the only player who went from an 86 SPD or whatever to a 75. All other players are normalized as well, at other positions. Tramon Williams only has a SPD of 81 in my system. Nnamdi only has ACC and AGI of 78, not that he needs it with his 99 MCV, ZCV, and PRS ratings to go with a 61 STR rating. Have fun getting off of the jam against that as Ted Ginn who only sports 52 STR and 85 REL ratings. This system requires that you pay attention to other attributes aside from STR, SPD, ACC, AGI, and JMP and consider the COMBINATION of all other attributes as they work as a whole for a given player.

In the above mentioned example, Boldin may be average in some raw attributes, but his REL and RTE attributes should get him open enough to employ his great SPC/CIT/CTH ratings and then proceed to plow over secondary players with his solid TRK/SFA ratings OR simly cut past them with his very good SPM and JKM ratings. Gone are the days of simply running fly routes with anyone. Now you have to tailor an offense to your specific players flaws and strengths. With Boldin, you can thrown the quick slant or a double move and watch him run after the catch. With a guy like Ginn, you can go deep and hope he comes down with it, but good luck having him hold on to a ball in traffic.

This system isn't for everyone, but it works for me and I am just glad that some other people enjoy it as much as I do.

[jerwoods]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

It will be moot for Madden 13 if you want to use them in CC, but EA will bring back player editing for Madden 14 hopefully. In the meantime, I will continue to rate players for Madden regardless of what EA issues to the gaming community for a product this season.

Dan i am a big fan of yours keep the good work

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by jerwoods

Dan i am a big fan of yours keep the good work

Thanks man, it is greatly appreciated. Your gratitude makes this whole process worth while. My sincere thanks!

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Thanks man, it is greatly appreciated. Your gratitude makes this whole process worth while. My sincere thanks!

Sucks about the no editing in CC because I had intentions of at least starting out with your ratings. I still think you should be an EAGC or at the least, a CE attendee next year. You seem to fit the criteria of helping the Madden community, you should apply man. Justin Dewiel posted an application link somewhere around here, I know there are plenty of us that would love to have you at Tiburon interacting with the ratings "team".

Matter of fact, I tracked down his post from another thread the link and I hope you apply.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dewiel

Interesting stuff in this thread. First off, community comes up in EVERY conversation that we have around our games. I know because I'm the one bringing it up and the feedback that we receive is implemented every year. For those of you who missed it, we launched our new ideas site: www.easports.com/gamechangers/ideas where you can post your ideas and vote on other ideas by franchise that the dev team will see as well. I see guys asking why there's not a Game Changer rep from OS, but OS is the place where we found Dave and it's also where we saw guys like Casey being active. There's also guys like RGiles who I'm actually going to be discussing the program with this week at the community event. Having said that, I personally get the applications, and there are not many guys applying from here or there at least not mentioning OS. I encourage you to visit http://www.easports.com/gamechangers...t-gamechangers check out the questions and send in your application. There are a lot of good posters here. The program is based around our mission statement: EA SPORTS Game Changers are high-profile members of the EA SPORTS community who use their expert knowledge of our games to inform, entertain and assist others. As well as exercising their talents for the benefit of the rest of the community, they also frequently work with us directly to contribute to the development and support of the games themselves with focused feedback. EA SPORTS Game Changers are independent of EA SPORTS, with separate opinions and perspectives, and are able to represent the views of the community members with whom they engage every day. If you think that fits you and you're interested, send that email. I want the best OS guys involved.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

Sucks about the no editing in CC because I had intentions of at least starting out with your ratings. I still think you should be an EAGC or at the least, a CE attendee next year. You seem to fit the criteria of helping the Madden community, you should apply man. Justin Dewiel posted an application link somewhere around here, I know there are plenty of us that would love to have you at Tiburon interacting with the ratings "team". Matter of fact, I tracked down his post from another thread the link and I hope you apply.

Thanks for your vote of confidence. I will apply and see if they get back to me. After I had that phone interview (more like a conference call) with about 5 members of the development team last summer regarding a M13 position, I think I have changed my opinion about those guys a bit. The fact that they flat out told me that most of their ratings are "pressured" by the marketing entities at EA/Tiburon/NFL made me believe that the ratings issues will never be fixed. They really seemed to have their hands tied with pressure from above to do things a particular way. I used to think that these devs had total control over the development of the game but I was disappointed to find that they have very little power. Guess they are the drones...around merely to do the work. I also got the impression that Donny Moore has no clue what he is doing. I spoke with him exclusively for about 5 minutes and picked his brain about where he gets his info. He never mentioned anything about data, just watching games and clips. That was severely disappointing. I got the impression that these devs want to do more with the game for the better, but they simply are not allowed to - their leashes are too short. What I would prefer someday, was that they enlisted FBG to do their ratings for them, should they agree with the methodology. Kind of like "Madden Ratings powered by FBG Ratings". More like a consulting thing. But I will check it out and see what comes of it. Thanks for the link.

Dan

[KBLover]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

The fact that they flat out told me that most of their ratings are "pressured" by the marketing entities at EA/Tiburon/NFL made me believe that the ratings issues will never be fixed. They really seemed to have their hands tied with pressure from above to do things a particular way. I used to think that these devs had total control over the development of the game but I was disappointed to find that they have very little power. Guess they are the drones...around merely to do the work.

The equivalent of an assembly line worker - just in software instead of cars or tables.

Makes sense though, since EA is the publisher and the publisher has the gold, and you know the golden rule - He who has the gold, rules.

Just makes me wish more development houses had the guts/means to go indy.

[Playmakers]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Thanks for your vote of confidence. I will apply and see if they get back to me. After I had that phone interview (more like a conference call) with about 5 members of the development team last summer regarding a M13 position, I think I have changed my opinion about those guys a bit. The fact that they flat out told me that most of their ratings are "pressured" by the marketing entities at EA/Tiburon/NFL made me believe that the ratings issues will never be fixed. They really seemed to have their hands tied with pressure from above to do things a particular way. I used to think that these devs had total control over the development of the game but I was disappointed to find that they have very little power. Guess they are the drones...around merely to do the work. I also got the impression that Donny Moore has no clue what he is doing. I spoke with him exclusively for about 5 minutes and picked his brain about where he gets his info. He never mentioned anything about data, just watching games and clips. That was severely disappointing. I got the impression that these devs want to do more with the game for the better, but they simply are not allowed to - their leashes are too short. What I would prefer someday, was that they enlisted FBG to do their ratings for them, should they agree with the methodology. Kind of like "Madden Ratings powered by FBG Ratings". More like a consulting thing. But I will check it out and see what comes of it. Thanks for the link. Dan

and this is why i believe both their football and basketball games suffer a lot with issues out of the box strictly tied to ratings on the field/court.

I've always felt at times EA would love a SIM style game but they refuse to get away from some ratings that lead to arcade type of gameplay on the field or court.

Take for example their NCAA Football series that has tons of LB's leaping as if they are Michael Jordan in his prime....or DT's who accelerate faster than half the RB's and WR's.

Before their basketball game folded (NBA LIVE) recently they would assign ratings which allowed guys to take off from anywhere on the floor and dunk the ball.

These types of things are the main reasons why I believe having the ability to edit players in all of EA's games should always be an option to us because they haven't shown in recent years they can get away from the super ratings of players that lead to those arcade type of outcomes on the field or court.

Not everyone wants to see SUPER LEAPING LB's or DT's with agility like Barry Sanders.

CCM or not i think removing the editing ability of players was just a terrible decision on EA part and no one can convince otherwise.

[at23steelers]

They should've at least given the option to edit ratings in offline CCM leagues. I'll miss Playmakers sliders, because his were the best!! I like Dan's passion for having accurate ratings and I hope we will be able to use his ratings for our leagues in the future! Here's to hoping next year I will see a ratings option in CCM where it says: Donny's ratings or Dan's ratings.