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Aestis · 08-14-2019, 06:00 PM

You should use these sliders IF:

You are in a CFM with other humans, preferably 32 but a few leagues of 2-10 do use these as well
You want gameplay to be as realistic as Madden can get--this means defense is tougher, and your INTs & sacks may be high if you are more aggressive than an NFL QB would be
You want sliders driven by actual data from scores of only league User v User games, based on per-play efficiency metrics built by an experienced analytics leader
You are comfortable with the fact that these may not lead to a good User v CPU experience--these are entirely optimized for our 32-man league, not CPU games

The Methodology:

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If you run this set, to succeed you will have to:

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What the passing game on these sliders looks like, in a few screenshots capturing WR/DB interactions you'll see more of:
(Will update these for M20... but here's a few older shots in the meantime.)

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How this set is benchmarking statistically vs the NFL in our league:

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ver 1.0 - 2019 Season

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ver 1.9 - 2021 Season

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Cming · 08-16-2019, 01:54 PM

Waiting on these like

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MoeIsBetter · 08-16-2019, 03:01 PM

Looking forward to these but no rush bro. Everyone should know that even when these drop, there's still a lot of work to do. Patience is a virtue.

Aestis · 08-16-2019, 07:13 PM

ver 0.9 is ready!

As stated, these are def not final. I need more data. But from eyeballing week 2 results, it seems much better than week 1. Probably still a little rough around the edges, but week 1 was a train wreck.

So far sacks are very high, but also I think this is some necessary adjustment on the part of users.

More to come...

Also I would highly encourage leagues to use my XP sliders--by season 3 & beyond, if you're using higher or lower XP sliders, it will start to really affect gameplay due to differing talent distribution among positions vs our league.

Hope you all enjoy!

charter04 · 08-16-2019, 10:09 PM

This is the online league I'm in and week two is for sure looking better. The week two game I just played was better.

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TheDominator273 · 08-17-2019, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aestis


	ver 0.9 is ready! As stated, these are def not final. I need more data. But from eyeballing week 2 results, it seems much better than week 1. Probably still a little rough around the edges, but week 1 was a train wreck. So far sacks are very high, but also I think this is some necessary adjustment on the part of users. More to come... Also I would highly encourage leagues to use my XP sliders--by season 3 & beyond, if you're using higher or lower XP sliders, it will start to really affect gameplay due to differing talent distribution among positions vs our league. Hope you all enjoy!

What were penalties like in Week 2? Penalty sliders seem high in many cases and without players having a way to ever improve penalty traits outside of a league wide implemented system those numbers have me wary potential flag fests.

Definitely willing to give these a try for my league though and will keep an eye on this thread for updates.

Aestis · 08-17-2019, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDominator273


	What were penalties like in Week 2? Penalty sliders seem high in many cases and without players having a way to ever improve penalty traits outside of a league wide implemented system those numbers have me wary potential flag fests. Definitely willing to give these a try for my league though and will keep an eye on this thread for updates.

I plan to lower DPI for wk 3 but rest are fine. Even DPI isn't far off but deep passing doesn't need more help than default atm.

Justb__ · 08-17-2019, 05:07 PM

Defensive holding looks pretty high, what has been your experience with it?

08-14-2019, 06:00 PM	#1
Aestis AWFL Commish OVR: 0 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,044	RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders You should use these sliders IF: You are in a CFM with other humans, preferably 32 but a few leagues of 2-10 do use these as well You want gameplay to be as realistic as Madden can get--this means defense is tougher, and your INTs & sacks may be high if you are more aggressive than an NFL QB would be You want sliders driven by actual data from scores of only league User v User games, based on per-play efficiency metrics built by an experienced analytics leader You are comfortable with the fact that these may not lead to a good User v CPU experience--these are entirely optimized for our 32-man league, not CPU games The Methodology: Spoiler Dating back to M15, I've been measuring our league's User v User game stats & benchmarking against the NFL using per-play advanced metrics (e.g. Pts per Play, Net Pass Yds per Drop-back, Air & YAC Yds per Pass Att, Sack & INT rates, 20+ yd run %, etc.) as well as NFL weekly medians (to understand volatility) to balance our sliders. *This means hard data from 32 humans across hundreds of games are what dictate my slider adjustments, NOT the subjective judgment by the slider creator on how they think* they should be performing. So if I'm personally having a hard time running the ball, but the league as a whole is tracking great vs NFL run success...the run game goes untouched. Without this visibility into league-wide stats in USER games only, there is no honest & objective way to balance a 32-man league. Again, this is all benchmarked against NFL median per-play success, not just game-end point & yardage totals. Sim leagues who run 6-minute quarters where each team snaps 35-45 plays/game might end up with realistic looking 34-24 type scores, 280 yds passing by QBs, 90 yds rushing from RBs...but that's off 21 pass attempts and 13 rushes. Despite calling themselves "sim leagues," their actual gameplay is incredibly arcadey. Scoring is MUCH easier in these leagues. Scoring in the NFL is tough, teams have to punt often, and our sliders are designed to reflect this. If you run this set, to succeed you will have to: Spoiler - Stop throwing it into the middle of sagging coverage. Hardest thing for most Madden players to learn. NFL QBs don't force it, and they don't try to thread tight needles 15 yards downfield at a huge risk of INT. Madden players tend to force it downfield into coverage no matter what then complain about INTs. NFL QBs check down & live to fight another day--even if it means punting. - Get the ball out quick. Pass rush can come quickly. You better actually read Ds & have a progression. The "drop back 10+ yds and wait for someone to come open" age-old video game approach won't work. - ID & adjust to possible blitzes. All the pass block sliders in the world won't make your 5 blockers protect against 6 rushers. In the NFL, 5 man pressure vs 5 blockers reaches the QB in 2.5 seconds or less about half the time. 4 man rushes vs 5 blockers reach the QB in 3 seconds or less about half the time. Better have your "hot" read ready when the D dials up a blitz. - Get in 3rd & manageable. 3rd & long is just really really tough on these sliders, as it is in the NFL. Don't anticipate converting a whole lot of 3rd & 8+ on these sliders. - Stop assuming a route will always get open because it always got open in previous Maddens. E.g. corner routes & outs are no longer automatic wins on these sliders. (But they can still be highly effective vs the right coverages with the right matchups!) tldr; Good defense + limiting turnovers + field position = winning, with these sliders. What the passing game on these sliders looks like, in a few screenshots capturing WR/DB interactions you'll see more of:** (Will update these for M20... but here's a few older shots in the meantime.) Spoiler The NFL is a game of inches. On these sliders, a fast WR gets a step or two on a streak, not 10 yds (but a step is enough with a great throw!). An elite WR can make a contested catch. Your decisions have to be made QUICKLY or windows tighten. QUICK PASSES: MID-RANGE PASSES: DEEP PASSES: How this set is benchmarking statistically vs the NFL in our league: Spoiler We run ~115-118 snaps per game, NFL runs ~125-128. So for the efficiency metrics, goal is to track about ~10% higher than the NFL to get the game-end totals about even. This is very close to NFL feel slightly on the offensive side. Many leagues run 35%-80% more offensive than the NFL without even realizing it, which means actual gameplay looks & feels nothing at all like the NFL and is, in fact, very arcade. We launched our league Aug 12... stay tuned... ver 1.0 - 2019 Season Spoiler Updated: Sep 26 ver 1.9 - 2021 Season Spoiler Updated: Nov 7 Teleo, NewEra_2020, LockdownD_25 and 2 others like this. __________________ RFF Twitch Channel Commissioner After Work Football League (Xbox Series S/X) AWFL Discord AWFL Daddyleagues Last edited by Aestis; 11-07-2019 at 01:54 PM.

08-16-2019, 01:54 PM	#2
Cming Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Aug 2017	Re: RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders Waiting on these like Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports Aestis likes this.

08-16-2019, 03:01 PM	#3
MoeIsBetter Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Mar 2012	Re: RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders Looking forward to these but no rush bro. Everyone should know that even when these drop, there's still a lot of work to do. Patience is a virtue. Aestis likes this. __________________ Founder and Co-Commissioner of Madden Sim Players Association: Daddyleagues.com/mspa

08-16-2019, 07:13 PM	#4
Aestis AWFL Commish OVR: 0 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,044	Re: RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders ver 0.9 is ready! As stated, these are def not final. I need more data. But from eyeballing week 2 results, it seems much better than week 1. Probably still a little rough around the edges, but week 1 was a train wreck. So far sacks are very high, but also I think this is some necessary adjustment on the part of users. More to come... Also I would highly encourage leagues to use my XP sliders--by season 3 & beyond, if you're using higher or lower XP sliders, it will start to really affect gameplay due to differing talent distribution among positions vs our league. Hope you all enjoy! Cming likes this. __________________ RFF Twitch Channel Commissioner After Work Football League (Xbox Series S/X) AWFL Discord AWFL Daddyleagues Last edited by Aestis; 08-16-2019 at 07:15 PM.

08-16-2019, 10:09 PM	#5
charter04 Tecmo Super Bowl = GOAT OVR: 21 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders This is the online league I'm in and week two is for sure looking better. The week two game I just played was better. Sent from my SM-G930VL using Tapatalk howboutdat and Aestis like this. __________________ www.twitch.tv/charter04 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPW...59SqVtXXFQVknw

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08-17-2019, 05:07 PM	#8
Justb__ Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Sep 2016	Re: RFF's M20 32-man CFM USER v USER Sliders Defensive holding looks pretty high, what has been your experience with it?

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