Judge Nixes NCAA Players Antitrust Claims -- Case Not Over...Yet

[TDenverFan]

Frankly, the fact that these players recieve 50k Schollys a year seems like a fair trade to me. Plus, is every player making the school the a lot of cash? No! So is the NCAA going to have to calculate the aproxomate value the specific player makes the school and charge based off of that number? Outside of a couple of players (Tebow, Robinson, etc.) the schools don't directly profit from most players (Is North Texas's backup placekicker truly raking in the big bucks for the Mean Green? Is USC's 9th string tailback earning the school millions?). So, many of these college players would be compensated in pennies, if your basing it on how much the school makes off of them.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dbrentonbuck

See that is a sense of entitlement. That isn't how the real world works. I will give you an example. I was asked 7 years ago to manage an advertising office. When I was hired, I was told the job was salary and that raises were based on yearly reviews and averaged between 2-7 percent. Now, when I started the office billed about 87,000 per month. Within the first two years we were billing over 110,000 per month. That means I helped that company make over 20,000 dollars per month. Do you think the company came to me and said, "please accept this 10,000 dollar monthly raise as it is your cut of the profits". In fact, they took some of the things we were doing and rolled them out to other offices so their profits increased as well. Do you want to know what I got from the deal? 3 years ago all raises were frozen due to a bad economy even though we continue to bill over 110,000 per month. Can I go to a judge and say, "hey I want this company to give me my share of the profits they made because of me"? Nope. Welcome to the real world. You make it out like if it wasn't for the NCAA, these kids would be millionaires. If it wasn't for the NCAA no one would know who they are. Many of them wouldn't have gotten an education at all and would be serving us fries. They had an opportunity to build a brand name BECAUSE they played for a NCAA school which gave them exposure to millions of fans and television. It is up to them what they make out of the chance. If it wasn't for the NCAA, no one would give a flying fudge who Cam Newton is. My local university has a club football team that is not affiliated with the school and they play other club football teams, guess what... I don't care about anyone on that team. They may have the next Tom Brady and I wouldn't care...and neither will anyone else. And, when Tom Brady Jr. graduates, the local car dealer isn't going to call him to make a commercial. Do you want to know why? Because club football players do not have the multibillion dollar branding machine of the NCAA behind them. Each of these kids had the same chance as every other kid on an NCAA team to build a personal brand and impress the NFL... some did, some didn't... this is life.

Again thats a horrible analogy. You made an agreement to work for your company and bill a certain amount in exchange for a salary and benefits. Nothing else. You dont have the right to demand more money based on how much you bill. They dont have the right to use your likeness and make more money off of it. In your employment agreement, they have the right to freeze your raises and fire you at will if they like. You agreed to this deal.

Stop trying to complicate the issue. Its simple. College athletes are given a scholarship in exchange for them playing football....thats it. They dont agree to sign over their likeness rights.

I dont make it like these college athletes should be millionaires. I make it like they should get a cut. Cam Newton made Auburn millions this year. So did Nick Fairley. So did the 70 other players on Auburn. I'm not arguing that Cam should get a cut of the bowl money or tv money because that comes directly from them playing on the field. Do I think they should get a cut of any jersey sold with their number on it? Yep. A video game using their likeness? Yep.

[Dame]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Stop trying to complicate the issue. Its simple. College athletes are given a scholarship in exchange for them playing football....thats it. They dont agree to sign over their likeness rights.

Yea this is it

[Dazraz]

Hopefully we are on the way to seeing this ridiculous episode come to it's rightful conclusion. Without real names, faces or statistical histories, a player in a videogame can only be regarded as generic. You need a little more than skin tone & body type to put a genuine argument that you have been replicated without reward in product.

[Dbrentonbuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Again thats a horrible analogy. You made an agreement to work for your company and bill a certain amount in exchange for a salary and benefits. Nothing else. You dont have the right to demand more money based on how much you bill. They dont have the right to use your likeness and make more money off of it. In your employment agreement, they have the right to freeze your raises and fire you at will if they like. You agreed to this deal. Stop trying to complicate the issue. Its simple. College athletes are given a scholarship in exchange for them playing football....thats it. They dont agree to sign over their likeness rights. I dont make it like these college athletes should be millionaires. I make it like they should get a cut. Cam Newton made Auburn millions this year. So did Nick Fairley. So did the 70 other players on Auburn. I'm not arguing that Cam should get a cut of the bowl money or tv money because that comes directly from them playing on the field. Do I think they should get a cut of any jersey sold with their number on it? Yep. A video game using their likeness? Yep.

Ok, again, if Cam Newton played for the West Texas Community College Cole Miners do you think anyone would buy a jersey with his name on it? Of course not. The only reason anyone in the world cares about Cam Newton is because he played for an NCAA school which had a built in fanbase, a multimillion dollar television deal and the branding and marketing of the NCAA juggernaught. No one would give a flying flip about Cam Newton had the NCAA not given him a chance to shine in their spotlight. His name was worth NOTHING before he went to a NCAA school and thus he should be paid NOTHING. He has the chance to use his personal brand, that he had the opportunity to build SOLELY because the NCAA allowed him to, to make money now. The NCAA should be allowed to make money from his success since they are the ones that gave him the chance to succeed in the first place. How many Cam Newton fans were not already NCAA football fans before he came to Auburn? How many fans will stop being NCAA football fans after he is gone? Auburn was already selling out games before he was there and they will be selling out games long after he is gone because they are Auburn. Cam owes them everything, they owe him NOTHING lol. That is why you don't hear successful players complaining.

Oh and they are raping the system by knowing full well that there is an NCAA football game every year and has been since before they accepted a scholarship and that the NCAA sells jersies with numbers that correspond to popular players and then accepting that scholarship, playing 4 years and getting a free education and THEN complaining about it. Let someone turn down a scholarship and THEN sue NCAA and then I may respect this suit a little more... as it stands now it is just a loser trying to get more money from the "glory years".

[MBFranchise]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Stop trying to complicate the issue. Its simple. College athletes are given a scholarship in exchange for them playing football....thats it. They dont agree to sign over their likeness rights.

Actually, yes they do. Heck, I was a DIII Cross Country runner and I signed over my likeness.

[Dbrentonbuck]

Quote: Originally Posted by MBFranchise

Actually, yes they do. Heck, I was a DIII Cross Country runner and I signed over my likeness.

Dude! I have a shirt with your face on it!

Is this you?

[JerseySuave4]

any reasonable person has to understand that the players are right for being upset about this. Is it money motivated? Of course, but it goes beyond just that. Ed O'Bannon is one of the main people suing the NCAA and video games because they used #31 PF for a classic UCLA team. Ed was no longer a college athlete, the model didn't look exactly like him, but you'd be a fool not to realize the player is based on him.

Yes lots of players receive scholarships, but not every player. You wouldn't think it was fair either if people were making millions of dollars off you and you saw none of the profits. How many Florida #15 jerseys do you think the University sold while Tebow was there? And how much of those profits did he see? Yes he received a scholarship, to play football. The problem is they force these kids to sign a lifetime waiver saying that the NCAA can use their likeness forever.