NCAA Football 10 Video: Central Gameplay

[da ThRONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by Adam_Thompson_EA

Yep. That is why we are here. Actually there are a LOT of the devs lurking on the forums (Hi guys!). Only some of us are cleared to post. Yes we like feedback. It is very important to us. But I have to admit that the negativity and the trolling recently is wearing on me. It makes it a lot harder to come to this site and look for feedback when you have to sort through the unconstructive stuff.

And I do appreciate you guys interaction and realize that you guys are probably the only ones fighting for what its is we want in this game. I have never been a game designer but I have had a job a time or two(LOL) and understand sometimes unless your the head guy things are out of your hands. Some of the personal shots at you guys are wrong(I like to think thats my shots are at the EA the evil empire not just you Adam or Russ). I have done my fair share of voicing my displease with some of the directions with this game ,but I would hope that its understood that none of my objection is anything personal towards you guys.

[legendkiller5]

Quote: Originally Posted by kindella2

your signature says that you hate the game...thus no point of talking to you about it.

Mine?

Quote: Originally Posted by jfsolo

Just slide on over to the supporters forum. You can ask questions there and get positive feedback and constructive criticism without dealing with those who can't refrain from acting like petulant 12-year olds. Also the new drop down "Ignore User" button is hella nice.

[boritter]

Quote: Originally Posted by Adam_Thompson_EA

But I have to admit that the negativity and the trolling recently is wearing on me. It makes it a lot harder to come to this site and look for feedback when you have to sort through the unconstructive stuff.

OMT:
I posted a few days ago saying people need to chill with the personal attacks on EA employees. I think that is inappropriate and I'm sure it drive you crazy.

That being said, I think that the roster issue was the final straw for many people. Right or wrong, many people feel that "hardcore" additions that have been missing on next gen consoles such as formation subs and custom playbooks didn't make it into the game because time was spent on a "gimmick" (Season Showdown). Ever since NCAA 07 many people have been requesting that these "old" features be put back into the game.

Whether or not Season Showdown took up time and resources that could have been used to bring last gen features to the 4th installment of NCAA on the 360 is irrelevant. That is the perception people have and perceptions are more important than reality.

When we didn't get those features and then the roster issue appeared it was disappointing. Some people should of handled the disappointment better.

But I think it is hard to convey the frustration of still playing NCAA 06 so that we can have all the features that didn't make it into NCAA 07, 08, 09 and 10 on next gen consoles.

[SHO]

Quote: Originally Posted by Adam_Thompson_EA

Yes we like feedback. It is very important to us. But I have to admit that the negativity and the trolling recently is wearing on me. It makes it a lot harder to come to this site and look for feedback when you have to sort through the unconstructive stuff.

I would say the negativity (trolling not so much) has been warranted after the last couple of releases.

[greenegt]

Love the new animations. I'm definitely ready to just sit down and play this thing.

[legendkiller5]

Yeah, I may be out of line at times, but the last few years, I haven't said anything or when I did, I offered constructive criticism without going on rants or tirades or putting certain emphatic statements in my signature.

But after four years in a row of these omissions after I ignored them in previous installments and last year offered c.c. as well as many, many other ncaa fans on OS, Utopia, IGN and everywhere there is a ncaa community, and although I'm happy we got teambuilder (even though I will rarely use it, I know it was a HUGE wish for many ncaa fans, and I am excited for those teambuilder fans and hope they enjoy it fully) and all the other improvements, I can't help but to feel ignored and disappointed.

Maybe b/c it doesn't both too many other ncaa fans, but the omissions greatly effect me, my program and the way I can run my offense. The shear number of packages Mizzou runs is almost infinite, but it is impossible to replicate that b/c we don't have formation subs. This along with a lack of updated equipment, team entrances, improved presentation and other features may seem unimportant to other games, maybe more than some. But does that make these omissions less important than teambuilder? or progressive lighting? Just b/c I probably will use teambuilder once or twice doesn't mean it's less important than things I want, and I would hope others felt that way, regardless of what side of the fence you're on.

All I know is if there was some omissions that greatly affected your team, a lot of you who ridicule us for complaining over minute things such as facemasks, would be on here complaining just as much. But...if it doesn't affect me, why should I care?


The roster situation doesn't bother me that much, b/c I know EA will probably take care of that before 7/14, and I think a lot of people blew it out of proportion, but I feel many people felt it to be the last straw. The roster situtation on its on may not have caused an uproar from the community, but combine that with the other flaws of this year's game and huge omissions, it was the last straw for many.

Honestly I don't care if any of you users care what I think, what I'm complaining about, or what I want in the game, b/c you aren't making the game. I've been biting my tongue for a couple years now, but after four years of these omissions, I'm not going to bite my tongue any longer. You can say I'm acting like I'm 12 or not offering any c.c., but I did last year....and look what it got me.

[rudyjuly2]

Quote: Originally Posted by Adam_Thompson_EA

Yep. That is why we are here. Actually there are a LOT of the devs lurking on the forums (Hi guys!). Only some of us are cleared to post. Yes we like feedback. It is very important to us. But I have to admit that the negativity and the trolling recently is wearing on me. It makes it a lot harder to come to this site and look for feedback when you have to sort through the unconstructive stuff.

I think you should consider asking OS to create a Feedback sub-forum. Something like this was done with the Show where only the developers can post questions and get the exact feedback they want without wading through a ton of similar threads that can be overly critical. Example, start a thread and ask, "What would you like to see us do with regards to presentation?". And then let the results come pouring in (but be prepared for some tough answers and of course it's too late for NCAA 10 right now).

I realize some people can be overly negative but I don't like filtering the forums too much. There has to be a happy medium where the developers can interact AND we still keep the framework of a forum where people can freely discuss the positives and negatives. The Show forum evolved to the point where some posters didn't want to see any negatives in case they frightened away the developers and it created a mess imo. Even though most people actually loved the game, there became huge infighting over any critical post. There has to be an outlet for people.

That said, if the developers do come to OS, I do think you have to be ALL IN. As soon as a developer starts to interact, people start expecting answers to questions in a reasonable time frame. The Show developers interacted a lot prior to release and then after release it seemed only Russell was around and he refused to answer many questions at all about glitches or problems. I still have yet to read a single Show developer respond to why the DH fatigue was broken. When the info well runs dry, people get ticked. Ian comes to OS all the time on the Madden boards and I know he gets frustrated at times. But the masses are more patient as well because they understand the process a bit better, feel involved and educated in the process the entire time. The NCAA forums haven't had that level of interaction and nobody here knows if our concerns are being considered or what is going on. It's the unknown that creates the most frustration rather than the truth.

Just my two cents.

[boritter]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

That said, if the developers do come to OS, I do think you have to be ALL IN. As soon as a developer starts to interact, people start expecting answers to questions in a reasonable time frame. The Show developers interacted a lot prior to release and then after release it seemed only Russell was around and he refused to answer many questions at all about glitches or problems. I still have yet to read a single Show developer respond to why the DH fatigue was broken. When the info well runs dry, people get ticked. Ian comes to OS all the time on the Madden boards and I know he gets frustrated at times. But the masses are more patient as well because they understand the process a bit better, feel involved and educated in the process the entire time. The NCAA forums haven't had that level of interaction and nobody here knows if our concerns are being considered or what is going on. It's the unknown that creates the most frustration rather than the truth.

Well said.