Backbreaker Hands-On Impressions (Joystiq)

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by creed200569

LMAO. Madden is NOT sim and never has been on next gen and at this rate they never will be. As for BB,those are NOT abs,those are part of the uniform. The players clearly do NOT look the same,you can tell the difference in sizes with the players,just open your eyes. Oh and I cant wait until I see all the Maddenites talk about how crappy Madden 11 is.

Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions.

Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game".

Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by CreatineKasey

Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions. Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game". Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

That's has been exactly as I felt browsing this forum. Some people it appears(not everyone) feel the need to cram their opinion onto others who are just voicing their opinions or concerns.

People should be able to come into this forum and feel welcomed that their opinion or concerns are being heard, not ridiculed on the return volley.

[turftickler]

Quote: Originally Posted by CreatineKasey

Really dude... don't tell people what to think please. Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. These are merely opinions. Your sentence should be rephrased: "I don't think M10 is a SIM football game". Let's talk about BB and what positives it can bring to our football gaming. Honestly guys, some of this is getting unreadable with the seething hate for EA. This should be a positive BB forum excited for the game, not a "hate on EA" forum. It's not enjoyable and drives many fans of gaming away.

I agree and I have been part of the Madden NFL bashing myself. Even though it does have due reasons to be hated or bashed, we still need to be mature about it. Madden NFL 11 and Backbreaker will be to totally different games. Both will have faults.

Anyway, the level of gameplay that BB will deliver will be what many of us have wanted for years. The cheese plays will be at an all-time low. The repeatable sack glitch, INT glitches, fumble glitches, player ghosting, and many more things will not be seen in BB, but it will have some minor issues. My hope is that the online play will be smooth on both PS3 and 360. Also, I hope that they have some sort of system in place for the "connection drop glitchers". And I hope they have a player rating system similar to APF 2k8 so we can stay away from cheesers

[Matt Diesel]

The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly.

Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation.

The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football.


I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

[turftickler]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt Diesel

The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly. Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation. The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football. I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

Great post!!!

[CreatineKasey]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt Diesel

The fact that this game has a true physics engine already makes it more 'sim' than madden. That is, if they are implemented correctly. Football is a highly random and chaotic event and you cannot truly simulate it using a model with pre-determined or restricted outcomes. If everyone falls only 3 certain ways, runs the exact same way, or bodies that react to a force only 10 certain ways, its not a simulation. The bells and whistles may not match up but that does not mean the actual game of football in BB doesnt play like an actual game of football. I have no idea if BB is any good or will suck, but at least it has the right focus/foundation for the chaotic, unscripted outcomes of real football.

I completely agree with the chaotic perspective. You'd think that real rules of physics will cut out a great amount of the possible exploits available.

The other half of exploits will come from AI. In my opinion, that will be a truly great challenge for the BB crew. Getting pass and run block logic correct will be paramount to their success. Just like many games of the past, think of a defensive player running around pre-snap to screw with the OL and essentially "gaming the game" with consistent broken outcomes. This is where BB needs to shine and eliminate that risk.

Given the pre-snap options on defense, I'll be interested to see how much freedom we exactly get and what that means to how we play defense. They claim to focus on being "on the field" so I wonder if they intend on taking away some of the "God mode" pre-snap manipulations that football games have had for decades now. I'm talking about defensive hot routes, slanting DL on the fly... things of that nature.

Even so, there will be at least 1 user controlled player capable of mucking things up so hopefully they are aware of that and can put together some solid AI. Imagine how devastating an A gap blitz going through untouched consistently would be in BB without all the tools to stop it that other games present (slide protection, blocking hot routes). It's important they strike a balance there.

Can't wait to see more pre-snap options and playcalling screens! At least we saw they have modern plays in so there should be a fair variety of football plays to choose from and possibly create with hotroutes.

We shouldn't have to worry about player warping and ridiculous leaps without proper gathering of weight, or unrealistic turning around that all canned games had at least some of in the past. In this game, it looks like we will truly earn our big hits. That will be fun to do!

[Bellsprout]

Quote: Originally Posted by hatisback

Not having the NFL license may help it in the long run. Imagine the possibilities. Players getting suspended for off the field issues, politics, and alot of other things that the NFL has opposed could make it in this game and make it deeper than Madden, if done correctly.

How'd that work out for Blitz: The League?

[hatisback]

Quote: Originally Posted by WeAreAllWitnesses

How'd that work out for Blitz: The League?

Just because it didnt work out for Blitz, doesnt mean it wont work out for this game. We are talking about two entirely different styles of gameplay. Gameplay is the first thing it comes down to in a sports game.

EDIT: Didnt know where to post this, but I just found this in my new Game Informer.

"The chief investment office of Becker Capital Management-which holds around a million shares of Electronic Arts stock-said in a Business Week article that the credibility of EA's management is "non existent right now." Under EA CEO John Riccitiello's watch, EA's stock price has dropped 68% over 11 consecutive quarters."