Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

[TheKasmar]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phobia

I will buy the game regardless of how it turns out.

Wow, technically I'm more critical then you.

[Afrikan]

for those who are worried about catching.....almost every sports game looks weird when slowed down....

to me personally this is one of the only games that looks realistic to where the player actually looks like he is judging the ball to make the catch....

I think some will not care too much in regular game play speeds...

somone responded to me with this in another thread

"i agree, i like the catches where the WR straightens his torso to catch a high ball on his inside shoulder; those catches look incredibly realistic and as if his whole body is adjusting to the ball trajectory."

it happens right after the guy in the video says "Add to that a 3rd person camera."


to which I responded, if true, THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO Advanced to what we have in Madden (where the WR turns his body the wrong way and catches it over the wrong shoulder and f's up a play)

[TheWatcher]

This game looks like it's going to be a blast. Those camera angles are just drool-inducing.

I think this game is going to be a lot of fun. I just think the people looking for an incredible franchise mode, or perfect interactions, and perfect AI are going to be disappointed. It's not going to happen anytime soon in any football game, and certainly not one on its first time out.

I'm looking forward to new experiences, and I'm hoping this game is successful so that we get more from them and other companies. The Football video game market can come back to life, and by back to life I mean having a number of competing choices. It's just going to take some guts and some smaller developers with a serious drive to do it. I'm hoping this is just the beginning.

[Gusto1]

This game will be a good change pace and bring about change in other games hopfully.

[Phobia]

Example of weird AI

:29 sec - WR jumps for ball and makes catch. CB trailing him turns away from WR

:37 Sec - QB passes ball over middle on post route to WR. Right side Safety runs AWAY from where the ball is being passed, even though he has his shoulders square to the QB at point when ball is being passed and is in air. He was in position to make a big hit on WR.

1:13-1:14 - Yellow jersey WR makes post grab over middle and same Right Safety turns and run in wrong direction AGAIN on a similar play. Taking him out the play. Not only that but at the start of the play he has his back to the WR with NO ONE past him......strange funky Ai there.

2:29-2:30 - TE out to the side line. The defense looks like it is doing a zone blitz out of a cover 3. You got the linebacker sliding over to the sideline to read his zone, then the CB is playing a deep zone. CB instead of reading play just turns his back to the WR 15 yards off him and runs straight bee line to his zone location. No Ai awarness. Easy completion to TE.

2:31-2:36 - Same thing over and over. You can clearly see the weight of the defensive players taking them out the play over and over.

2:48 - WR goes up to make a jumping catch. Watch right side of screen. Linebacker is just frozen in place not moving not reacting to pass. NOTHING

3:15 - CB is in perfect position for pick but runs AWAY at last sec from WR. He is literally a few feet from ball and runs completely out of position. AGGGG this is becoming a eye sore for me now.

Sorry guys I went through and made a point to find the issues and there is plenty. I did not think there was that much in such a short video but there is a ton and they are BAD!!

[Afrikan]

well that seems like someone else is grabbing that defender and moving him away so the WR can make a catch, and just to show footage of the catch animations..

I mean, it has been stated that in past videos there almost all of them is with another user controlling the defense.....and it is not CPU

so something like this...

"3:15 - CB is in perfect position for pick but runs AWAY at last sec from WR. He is literally a few feet from ball and runs completely out of position. AGGGG this is becoming a eye sore for me now."

I can see how that happens.... I think we should wait for the demo before really jumping to conclusions... I mean, they make the game...if this was a big deal (and it would be big deal if it releases like that) I'm sure they would be taking their time to finish up the game properly...

it was posted in the past by the headman at NatrualMotions, that there was really no time line or rush to finish the game...and it would be released when it is properly ready.

[Phobia]

Quote: Originally Posted by Afrikan

well that seems like someone else is grabbing that defender and moving him away so the WR can make a catch, and just to show footage of the catch animations.. I mean, it has been stated that in past videos there almost all of them is with another user controlling the defense.....and it is not CPU so something like this... "3:15 - CB is in perfect position for pick but runs AWAY at last sec from WR. He is literally a few feet from ball and runs completely out of position. AGGGG this is becoming a eye sore for me now." I can see how that happens.... I think we should wait for the demo before really jumping to conclusions... I mean, they make the game...if this was a big deal (and it would be big deal if it releases like that) I'm sure they would be taking their time to finish up the game properly... it was posted in the past by the headman at NatrualMotions, that there was really no time line or rush to finish the game...and it would be released when it is properly ready.

Hummmmm maybe so, but I am just skeptical to believe that. Mainly because of how complex football is and the level AI needs to be.

[creed200569]

Quote: Originally Posted by Phobia

Example of weird AI :29 sec - WR jumps for ball and makes catch. CB trailing him turns away from WR :37 Sec - QB passes ball over middle on post route to WR. Right side Safety runs AWAY from where the ball is being passed, even though he has his shoulders square to the QB at point when ball is being passed and is in air. He was in position to make a big hit on WR. 1:13-1:14 - Yellow jersey WR makes post grab over middle and same Right Safety turns and run in wrong direction AGAIN on a similar play. Taking him out the play. Not only that but at the start of the play he has his back to the WR with NO ONE past him......strange funky Ai there. 2:29-2:30 - TE out to the side line. The defense looks like it is doing a zone blitz out of a cover 3. You got the linebacker sliding over to the sideline to read his zone, then the CB is playing a deep zone. CB instead of reading play just turns his back to the WR 15 yards off him and runs straight bee line to his zone location. No Ai awarness. Easy completion to TE. 2:31-2:36 - Same thing over and over. You can clearly see the weight of the defensive players taking them out the play over and over. 2:48 - WR goes up to make a jumping catch. Watch right side of screen. Linebacker is just frozen in place not moving not reacting to pass. NOTHING 3:15 - CB is in perfect position for pick but runs AWAY at last sec from WR. He is literally a few feet from ball and runs completely out of position. AGGGG this is becoming a eye sore for me now. Sorry guys I went through and made a point to find the issues and there is plenty. I did not think there was that much in such a short video but there is a ton and they are BAD!!

Blah,Blah,Blah...Its a brand new football game in its first year with an engine thats never been used in a sports game before. Of course,there's gonna be issues and like Rob said,they are working on them right now. Madden has been on next gen for 5 years now and that game still plays like complete garbage on both sides of the ball.


I dont expect this game to be perfect,only idiots do, Not saying that you are,just some ppl are ridiculous in expecting so much in a VIDEO GAME,especially a sports game. It is impossible to simulate a video game to be like the real thing. Just from these little videos that I've seen on BB,it still blows away anything Madden has by far. I'm excited for this game and will buy it day one. I think everyone should take their money they use on Madden and buy this game for two reason. Alot fo sales could mean a BB2 and it will really make EA open their eyes more to put out a quality game.