Downloading Music

[Ksyrup]

No, the burner will burn it onto a disc, not convert the file. I don't think there's an M4P-to-MP3 converter, but I don't work with itunes files all that often. I only have a few, and those I've just burned to a regular audio disc. The burner will burn an audio disc. Then you take the audio disc and rip the songs back to your hard drive as MP3s. Then you've got the same songs as MP3s instead of the unusable (except in itunes) M4P files.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by NYFAN

ok, but the built in burner will convert it to a file that i can play in a regular player, or my car etc...? thanks again for all of your help.

Okay, I haven't tried this yet, but ...
from the help file
You can use iTunes to create a data CD with the music stored in MP3 format. MP3 is a high-quality, Internet-standard encoding method. You can listen to the MP3 CDs you create on special consumer CD players or on your computer.

Looks like they've got a built-in converter or something.
Just go:
iTunes and MusicStore Help ---> Burning CDs and DVDs -->Creating your own mp3 CDS

Alternately, it looks like they've got some format (just calling them "standard audio files") that should work on a CD player or PC.

[Ksyrup]

Well there you go. I wonder if that's relatively new? I don't use it enough - or have the need for MP3s - to know anyway. When I buy downloads, which is rare, I just burn to disc anyway. The only stuff I buy is stuff I can't buy on CD.

[MJ4H]

EDIT: I hate thinking Im replying to the last post in a thread when there is actually more on the second page.

[MJ4H]

Yeah that's called CD-audio format. Playable by any CD player.

FWIW there is a way to convert directly from m4p to mp3, though I actually never got it to work. Do a little net search and you'll come across some tutorials. I was just curious about the process, but I shouldn't really need this since I do all my listening on PC or iPod these days (I only have about 25 songs I've bought from iTunes anyway).

[NYFAN]

beautiful... thanks for all of your help guys

[HerRealName]

If you like indie music, emusic.com is outstanding. It is $9.99 a month for 40 downloads and the songs aren't copy protected so you don't have to deal with that issue. It is only independent labels, though, so I also use ITunes for big label artists. As you have discovered, the m4p file format is the worst thing about Itunes.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by TheOhioStateUniversity

I dont remember saying anything about how much money you make. I said you need to get a life, as you seem to be overly concerned with hunting down vicious internet music sharing thiefs. Im thinking if you had a life maybe you could use that time to take a lady out or talk to some friends.

I don't know what kind of music you DL, but I'm guessing you DL some indie artists as well.

I would just like to rethink your position on this stuff. Most indie artists and labels offer a few free mp3s on the net. You can check em out and see if you like the band or not.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by rexallllsc

I would just like to rethink your position on this stuff.

This would make most arguments go away...

[Ksyrup]

www.weedshare.com. Free music for 3 plays, then you pay. You get to hear every song in full before you buy. Mostly obscure, but some relatively well-known artists.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This would make most arguments go away...

Doesn't everyone know the first law of arguments?

"Persons disagreeing with you are always emotional and employ faulty reasoning. So each side must continue stating the same facts over and over and calling the other side stupid."

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by VPI97

allofmp3.com

For the majority of the albums they have, you can pick the quality you want and they'll encode the mp3 on the fly. You pay based on file size and at 192 kbps, I can typically get an album for $1.50

Quick question, there aren't any other fees besides the cost of the songs you download, right? I don't see anything on their site about no sign-up fee but I also don't see anything saying that it's free...

[oliegirl]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Quick question, there aren't any other fees besides the cost of the songs you download, right? I don't see anything on their site about no sign-up fee but I also don't see anything saying that it's free...

Nope - I've been using this site for months and there are no hidden fees or anything. Just the cost of the music you download.

[JeeberD]

Cool. Future Mrs JeeerD thanks you for the info...

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by TheOhioStateUniversity

Why does anyone use pay services, there are some great free programs that will allow you to get double the selection of the pay services for FREE. Im sure you all already know this, I just dont understand why people are so uptight about using p2p services. When I lived at home my mother banned me from downloading music as she said it was stealing and illegal. I just dont care its music with existing programs to obtain it, its not me breaking into a car and taking it.

Listen to your mother

[korme]

So anyone who uses free P2P software is a tool for downloading music?

Damn, I'm so ashamed.

[korme]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Please then, do us a favor -- share your real name & student ID with us -- there are a few people who might be interested to have it.

Wow...............

[Desmond]

I download music, but I do it because I was robbed by the RIA. Ya see when i was too young to know better I was sold Tiffany records, Brian Adams records, hell I even bought a Frankie Goes To Hollywood record when I was 9, think of the damage that could of done. Anyway, I figured out sometimes around 1998 that the Record Industry owed me about $2,345 simply for the costs of the albums they force fed me thru their coke ads, mtv and radio payolla. I tacked on another $5000 for the sheer emotional damage of thinking it was cool to dance around the schoolyard and sing Debbie Gibson songs. So I figure the RIA owes me about $7,500. Everytime I download an album I take $10 of the big number. I've still got about $4,000 grand to go but If I can find that rare RATM live disc it'll be down to $3,900. Im fighting the power.

[Passacaglia]

Relax.

[JeeberD]

Don't do it.

[Hurst2112]

Originally Posted by Desmond

I download music, but I do it because I was robbed by the RIA. Ya see when i was too young to know better I was sold Tiffany records, Brian Adams records, hell I even bought a Frankie Goes To Hollywood record when I was 9, think of the damage that could of done. Anyway, I figured out sometimes around 1998 that the Record Industry owed me about $2,345 simply for the costs of the albums they force fed me thru their coke ads, mtv and radio payolla. I tacked on another $5000 for the sheer emotional damage of thinking it was cool to dance around the schoolyard and sing Debbie Gibson songs. So I figure the RIA owes me about $7,500. Everytime I download an album I take $10 of the big number. I've still got about $4,000 grand to go but If I can find that rare RATM live disc it'll be down to $3,900. Im fighting the power.

Funny...

I was buying AC/DC, Sabbath, Zappa and Rush albums when I was the age you say. Perhaps you should blame your parents and ask them for money.

By the way, the Bad Taste Police called...they have a warrent for your arrest.

[Dutch]

allofmp3.com, it's cheap, it's fair, it's not getting anybody thrown in jail by the RIAA.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Dutch

allofmp3.com, it's cheap, it's fair, it's not getting anybody thrown in jail by the RIAA.

Does anyone know if the RIAA, etc. supports allofmp3.com? Just curious, I have not heard anything about it either way. Being a Russian site and so cheap, it looks suspicious.

[Hurst2112]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Does anyone know if the RIAA, etc. supports allofmp3.com? Just curious, I have not heard anything about it either way. Being a Russian site and so cheap, it looks suspicious.

no.

From my limited understanding, Russia was not part of the Berne Convention of 97 which formed to regulate world copyrights. Similarly to the Indonesian countries, Russia is exempt from the long arm of the copyright law.

The reason it's 'legal' for you and I to use it in the states is similar to off shore gambling.

I would assume that as the years go by, sites like this will fade away. Yet, it is apparent that copyright laws are WAAAAYYYY to ancient to be changed and regulated as fast as technology changes.

[Icy]

If you guys are worried about getting in jail, using that russian site will keep you protected probably because the hole in internet regulations betwen countries. If moral is the issue, it's the same to use p2p software than to pay that russian site as they don't pay the artists anyway. If you feel better expending money, pay that russians, but have on mind you're just making them rich and not the authors. Wonder yoursef why most of the ilegal porn (kids etc), hacking, cracks, warez websites etc are hosted in russian servers. They don't care about their own laws, and of course even less about other countries laws. Have the FBI to go there to get a russian guy in jail and they will laught in their face.

Again legal and moral is not the same, but to pay just to avoid jail is not the same than to support the artists. I would use p2p before that russian site. And in another matter, it could be a new discussion who is really lossing with the p2p, the artist or the bussines men behind him (sadly probably the artist too as if the bussines men don't make money, they won't bring new artists).

Of course that just my opinion as little music artist, who has seen the music bussines contracts, who expend thousands on buying discs every year and who uses also p2p from time to time.

[Icy]

Info about it, sorry for being offtopic:

Is Allofmp3 legal?	The most frequently asked question. We have thoroughly investigated this. You will not find Allofmp3 in the list of legal music services supported by the IFPI at www.pro-music.org. Organizations like IFPI and the RIAA are doing their best to avoid any publicity when it comes to the legal services in Russia. There is a loophole in the Russian copyright legislation that makes services like Allofmp3 possible. Apparently this loophole cannot be closed easily. Read more >> The legal status of Allofmp3 Russian copyright legislation allows phonograms to be performed publicly without the authorization of the copyright owner for broadcasting and cable transmission. (Article 39) The Internet could be deemed to fall under this exemption. The copyrights involved have to be paid to a collecting society. This is the 'loophole' that is referred to in several articles on Allofmp3. An English translation of the Russian copyright legislation can be found at www.copyrighter.ru Allofmp3 has signed agreements for this with Russian Organization for Multimedia & Digital Systems (ROMS). According to license № ЛС-ЗМ-02-36 the Internet-project www.allofmp3.com, has the right to use musical compositions by providing downloads. Under the license agreement Allofmp3 pays out fees to ROMS for downloaded materials that are subject to the Russian Federation Copyright And Related Rights Law. ROMS manages intellectual rights in the Russian Federation. All third party distributors licensed by ROMS are required to pay a portion of the revenue to the ROMS. ROMS in turn, is obligated to pay most of that money (aside from small portion it needs for operating expenses) to artists. Both Russian and foreign. We have received this confirmation from ROMS: I can confirm the legality of allofmp3.com You can legally buy/download mp3-songs from this site if it does not breaks the law the national legislation of the country in which you will be during that moment Sorry for my english. Yours faithfully, the assistant to the lawyer of the Russian society on multimedia and to digital networks (ROMS) www.roms.ru. Bahanets Roman Igorevich Interview with Allofmp3 We have interviewed the content manager of Allofmp3, Vadim Medved'ev. He provided us with some useful information. Read the interview. Interview with ROMS Roman Bahanets of ROMS has answered our questions with regard to ROMS and the Russian Legal Music Services. He clearly states that Allofmp3 is a fully legal operation. Read our interview. Press release We recently received this press release from ROMS that's explains more on how ROMS operates. The Music Industry's point of view The Music Industry claims that Allofmp3 is illegal. Their opinion is that recorded music has three sets of rights. The songwriter has the copyright to the song, the artist his own rights in it, and the record label and producers a third set. Allofmp3 is paying the songwriters, via the collection agency ROMS, but they are acting without the permission of the other copyright holders. Alan Dixon, general counsel of the IFPI explains their position in an article on Guardian.co.uk We have asked Andy Mincov, a Russian lawyer and webmaster of www.copyrighter.ru, to comment on Alan Dixon's statement. This is what he replied: "As for the comment on Alan Dixon, I'm not sure what he meant my a Copyright Code during the Soviet era, because there has not been any such document". The Music Industry has not taken any legal action against Allofmp3 or ROMS. IFPI Russia's legal adviser, Vladimir Dragunov, has admitted that legal actions don't have much chance of succeeding. read more
Is using Allofmp3 legal?	In the User Agreement Allofmp3 states that you may not use the service if it is in conflict with the legislation of your country. Allofmp3 has added this as a kind of disclaimer of course. Every country has its own rules. There is no such thing as a set minimum of international intellectual property standards. That makes it impossible to answer this question in general. Let's take a closer look at the law in a country with very liberal copyright legislation and a country with strict copyright laws. Liberal copyright legislation A country that has very liberal copyright rules is The Netherlands. Downloading copyrighted material for personal use is legal in this country. Even when the downloader knows the supplier is acting against the law (like uploading with P2Pprograms), this does not make him a copyright infringer. In this perspective it seems highly unlikely that downloading from a licensed supplier like Allofmp3 will be declared illegal. It is safe to say that Dutch citizens can legally use the Russian music services. Strict copyright legislation Now for the country that may well have the strictest rules on copyrights, the USA. A thread in the Fatwallet forums brings some light in his confusing subject. We will not bother you with all the details. Here is a concise version of the interesting parts: “MP3's, OGG's, etc are not illegal in the USA and therefore can be imported. There is also no law against importing music from other countries (including Russia). Because you are buying this legally in Russia and then importing to the USA, this should be 100% legit. For example, assuming that Russian Vodka is illegal to buy in the USA on Sunday, but you buy the Russian Vodka in Moscow on Sunday, then you import it into the USA, you have done nothing wrong. Again, this assumes that 1) it is illegal to buy Russian Vodka on Sunday in the USA 2) it is legal in Moscow and 3) it is legal to import Russian Vodka.” Title 17 Chapter 6 Sec. 602 of the U.S. Code covers “Infringing importation of copies or phonorecords”. You can find this title here Subsection (a) tells us: “Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501.” So it's illegal you may think. But take a close look at sub (a)(2): “This subsection does not apply to importation, for the private use of the importer and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by any person arriving from outside the United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such person's personal baggage;” If MP3’s, OGG’s etc are in fact considered phonorecords, U.S. citizens can legally buy these as long if they are for private use and not for distribution. If MP3s, OGG’s etc. are not considered phonorecords, no import laws apply. The sections of digital audio recording and sound recording have no mention of importation. So in layman's terms the bottom line of this discussion is: Downloading from Allofmp3 is legal for U.S. Citizens, as long as the files are for private use and not for distribution. Please note – This is in no way a legal advice. -- please see our disclaimer. This is what a more law educated person like the Tech Law Advisor has published regarding this issue: Additionally, assuming they have legitimate licenses to distribute the music, they probably are restricted to a certain geographic are via their distribution license. The end user wouldn't be violating any laws but the distributor would. If they don't have legitimate distribution licenses then they obviously have no right to distribute at any price. If they claim to have the licenses the end user might be seen as an innocent infringer if not on notice.

[Dutch]

Allofmp3 is paying the songwriters, via the collection agency ROMS, but they are acting without the permission of the other copyright holders

This makes me like allofmp3 even more. The actual songwriter gets paid? And nothing for Ashlee Simpson or Milli Vanilli or the RIAA? Sounds too good to pass up.

[Deattribution]

Originally Posted by Dutch

This makes me like allofmp3 even more. The actual songwriter gets paid? And nothing for Ashlee Simpson or Milli Vanilli or the RIAA? Sounds too good to pass up.

Yeah, you know when youre paying 75 cent for a whole album those artist/song writers are racking up.

They get what? 2 dollars (maybe) off a regular album priced at 14 bucks - so they get about 2 cent now.

They could be the highest selling artist on allofmp3.com and be lucky to make a payment on a used car with the proceeds.

[Icy]

I doubt also that the songwritters are getting the money as at least 30% of the singers/groups don't write the songs themselves and the guy behind them is never known so i find hard to believe that the russian guys are locating him to send him his money. I think that is another loophole to avoid the laws.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Remember, boys and girls.

Bush illegally using he NSA to spy on citizens = AOK according to Jon.
If I download the U2's new album = I should be drawn and quartered.

[SirFozzie]

Jesse: Jon's tirade was seven months ago.

as much as I might disagree with some of his viewpoints..

The statue of limitations has well since expired to make a smartass remark based on them, if he came back in and said em now.. maybe.

In the immortal words of the Beatles.. "let it Be"

[Jesse_Ewiak]

My Bad. When people bump eighty-seven year old threads, these things happen.

[SirFozzie]

well.. now you know. And Knowing's half the battle.

(GI JOEEEEEEEE)

[Grammaticus]

Icy,

Thanks for all the info!

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

My Bad. When people bump eighty-seven year old threads, these things happen.

Better than starting a new thread that covers old territory...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Jesse: Jon's tirade was seven months ago.

See, if only you had said "That tirade was ..." instead of "Jon's tirade was ...", I could have missed out on this entirely.

Instead ... nah, the one-liners I've got to choose from are all too damned easy. Instead, I'll just go straight to the point.

Yo, Jesse

You ought to be drawn & quartered for being a braindead piece of shit fucking candyass moron ... not because you're a thief. Well, at least not only because you're a thief.

Fozzie, I blame you for this.
(The post, not for him being a b.p.o.s.f.c.m)

[SirFozzie]

Do you have a filter or something on your name that automatically brings it to your attention, Jon?

Me and my big mouth.

Fire away Jessie, I guess you can consider Jon's post the ringing of the bell for Round 1

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Do you have a filter or something on your name that automatically brings it to your attention, Jon?

Nah, I just clicked the thread (like I do with most first page threads) to get rid of the bold font that comes with anything with new posts. As it happened, your post was top of the page & so the first thing I see, without even trying, is

Jesse: Jon's tirade was seven months ago.

Three posts sooner or later in the thread & I wouldn't have had the slightest idea, just bad luck on my part. But I still blame you

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Three posts sooner or later in the thread & I wouldn't have had the slightest idea, just bad luck on my part. But I still blame you

That's ok. To make it up for you, I will copy you a joke that a friend of mine sent me

MY NEW LEXUS


I just got my new Lexus RX400h, and returned to the dealer the next day,
complaining that I couldn't figure out how the radio worked.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated. "Watch this!" he
said..."Nelson!"

The radio replied, "Ricky or Willie?"

"Willie!" he continued . . and "On The Road Again" came from the speakers.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say,
"Beethoven" I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said, "Beatles" I'd
get one of their awesome songs.

One day, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new car, but I
swerved in time to avoid them. "ASSHOLES!" I yelled.

The French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Michael
Moore, backed up by John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums and Bill Clinton
on sax....

I LOVE this car!!!!!!!!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

That's ok. To make it up for you, I will copy you a joke that a friend of mine sent me

You're forgiven ... barely, but forgiven.

I liked the joke so much in fact that I'll give you one back (although you probably already have it).

Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing.

He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

Y'know, it kinda makes me wonder about our "friends" if someone thought it wise to send us our respective jokes

[SirFozzie]

remember Jon.. I may live in a Blue State, but my mind is neither blue nor red. I admit to disliking the current administration, but hell, it's not like the other guy would have done any better...

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Anytime a proto-fascist who thinks we should turn the Middle East into glass thinks I'm a moron, then I know I'm in the right. :-)

[moriarty]

OK, back on topic ... I have an Itunes question:

If I already have a playlist synched with my Ipod via another music play software and I download say 5 songs via Itunes, can I add those 5 songs to my Ipod without losing my existing playlists? I.e. can I synch with iTunes without losing what's on my Ipod already. Or do I have to somehow get all my music into either itunes or my existing software tool first and do a massive synch?

[samifan24]

Originally Posted by moriarty

OK, back on topic ... I have an Itunes question:

If I already have a playlist synched with my Ipod via another music play software and I download say 5 songs via Itunes, can I add those 5 songs to my Ipod without losing my existing playlists? I.e. can I synch with iTunes without losing what's on my Ipod already. Or do I have to somehow get all my music into either itunes or my existing software tool first and do a massive synch?

Yes. Just turn off the iTunes option to auto update your iPod's content based on your iTunes library and you should be all set.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You're forgiven ... barely, but forgiven.

I liked the joke so much in fact that I'll give you one back (although you probably already have it).

Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing.

He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

Y'know, it kinda makes me wonder about our "friends" if someone thought it wise to send us our respective jokes

Now that's a good joke.