OT - New "long list" puzzle - Page 7

JeeberD · 06-16-2004, 10:06 PM

David Boston

Patrick Pass

Tony Banks

Donte' Stallworth

Edgerrin James

Dat Nguyen

Corey Dillon

Na'il Diggs

Corey Chavous

Travis Henry

Justin Fargas

Duce Staley

Quentin Jammer

Tai Streets

Kevin Lockett

Steve Christie

Jay Fiedler

Kelly Holcomb

Byron Leftwich

Junior Seau

Dwight Freeney

Deion Branch

Tom Brady

Chris Weinke

Drew Henson

Ricky Manning, Jr

Jason Taylor

Matt Birk

Charlie Batch

Orlando Brown

Bethel Johnson

Cody Pickett

Levi Jones

Olindo Mare

John Jett

Joey Harrington

RW McQuarters

Tyrone Calico

Sebastian Janikowski

Steve McNair

Brian Griese

Najeh Davenport

Orlando Pace

Lito Sheppard

Flozell Adams

Marcellus Wiley

Joe Jurevicius

Sage Rosenfels

Doug Jolley

Stacey Mack

Tim Couch

Troy Hambrick

Onterrio Smith

Morlon Greenwood

Vinny Testaverde

Payton Manning

Ebeneezer Ekuban

Kordell Stewart

Warren Sapp

Bryant Young

Dane Looker

Michael Barrow

Rohan Davey

Dante Hall

Marcus Trufant

Mike Doss

Tebucky Jones

Jason Sehorn

David Akers

Antoine Winfield

Rod Gardner

Ty Law

Bryan Pittman

Mitch Berger

Jake Delhomme

Jon Jansen

Larry Tripplett

Jay Bellamy

JeeberD · 06-16-2004, 10:09 PM

David Boston
Patrick Pass
Tony Banks
Donte' Stallworth
Edgerrin James
Dat Nguyen
Corey Dillon
Na'il Diggs
Corey Chavous
Travis Henry
Justin Fargas
Duce Staley
Quentin Jammer
Tai Streets
Kevin Lockett
Steve Christie
Jay Fiedler
Kelly Holcomb
Byron Leftwich
Junior Seau
Dwight Freeney
Deion Branch
Tom Brady
Chris Weinke
Drew Henson
Ricky Manning, Jr
Jason Taylor
Matt Birk
Charlie Batch
Orlando Brown
Bethel Johnson
Cody Pickett
Levi Jones
Olindo Mare
John Jett
Joey Harrington
RW McQuarters
Tyrone Calico
Sebastian Janikowski
Steve McNair
Brian Griese
Najeh Davenport
Orlando Pace
Lito Sheppard
Flozell Adams
Marcellus Wiley
Joe Jurevicius
Sage Rosenfels
Doug Jolley
Stacey Mack
Tim Couch
Troy Hambrick
Onterrio Smith
Morlon Greenwood
Vinny Testaverde
Payton Manning
Ebeneezer Ekuban
Kordell Stewart
Warren Sapp
Bryant Young
Dane Looker
Michael Barrow
Rohan Davey
Dante Hall
Marcus Trufant
Mike Doss
Tebucky Jones
Jason Sehorn
David Akers
Antoine Winfield
Rod Gardner
Ty Law
Bryan Pittman
Mitch Berger
Jake Delhomme
Jon Jansen
Larry Tripplett
Jay Bellamy

JeeberD · 06-16-2004, 10:38 PM

Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
Houston Texans
New Orleans Saints
Indianapolis Colts
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Buffalo Bills
Oakland Raiders
Pittsburgh Steelers
San Diego Chargers
Detroit Lions
New York Jets
San Diego Chargers
Miami Dolphins
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Miami Dolphins
Indianpolis Colts
New England Patriots
New England Patriots
Carolina Panthers
Dallas Cowboys
Carolina Panthers
Miami Dolphins
Minnesota Vikings
Piottsburgh Steelers
Baltimore Ravens
New England Patriots
San Francisco 49ers
Cincinnati Bengals
Miami Dolphins
Detroit Lions
Detroit Lions
Chicago Bears
Tennessee Titans
Oakland Raiders
Tennessee Titans
Miami Dolphins
Green Bay Packers
St Louis Rams
Philadelphia Eagles
Dallas Cowboys
Dallas Cowboys
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Miami Dolphins
Oakland Raiders
Houston Texans
Cleveland Browns/Green Bay Packers
Cleveland Browns
Minnesota Vikings
Miami Dolphins
Dallas Cowboys
Indianapolis Colts
Cleveland Browns
Baltimore Ravens
Oakland Raiders
San Francisco 49ers
St Loius Rams
Washington Redskins
New England Patriots
Kansas City Chiefs
Seattle Seahwks
Indianapolis Colts
New Orleans Saints
St Loius Rams
Philadelphia Eagles
Minnesota Vikings
Washington Redskins
New England Patriots
Houston Texans
New Orleans Saints
Carolina Panthers
Washington Redskins
Indianapolis Colts
New Orleans Saints

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 12:03 AM

No love for the Falcons.

JeeberD · 06-17-2004, 12:04 AM

I went through and was listing each player by position, but then the system belched and I lost the info. I'll get around to doing it again at some point, unless one of you other guys wants to do it.

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 12:06 AM

For reference:

Quote:

I’m generally interested in multi-stage puzzles, so I concocted one for you here. I’m not much for recipes, so you’ll have you find your own way. I think this will probably boil down to several people making contributions, and I may have to give some guidance along the way. But for now – here it is:

"long list"

So, of course, the puzzle is this:

Where do I put the ampersand?

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I went through and was listing each player by position, but then the system belched and I lost the info. I'll get around to doing it again at some point, unless one of you other guys wants to do it.

I had a post that listed each player and thier team as well (yesterday, before we had everybody), but the system belched for me too.

QuikSand · 06-17-2004, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I went through and was listing each player by position, but then the system belched and I lost the info.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

I had a post that listed each player and thier team as well (yesterday, before we had everybody), but the system belched for me too.

Excellent. The "belching system" subroutine is working precisely as I had planned. They'll never solve this puzzle.

::evil laugh::

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 08:25 AM

Seemed to work for Jim's puzzle too.

111,112,113,114

Reminds me of football practice...one, two, three, ONE; one, two, three, TWO; one, two, three, THREE!

albionmoonlight · 06-17-2004, 09:26 AM

Not to be lost--lots of references to cooking in the description: concocted, recipie, boil.

Some one noted that before, but I wanted to bring it back up because I am sure that it will be relevant.

QuikSand · 06-17-2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Not to be lost--lots of references to cooking in the description: concocted, recipie, boil.

Some one noted that before, but I wanted to bring it back up because I am sure that it will be relevant.

Just a coincidence. Everything you need for this puzzle is football related. No cooking or geography (or basketweaving, for that metter) necessary.

QuikSand · 06-17-2004, 11:05 AM

Just in case this needs a hint - the list of answers (that has been created above) is not as helpful to you as the complete list of original clues and answers.

And the remaining key to the puzzle is indeed football-related.

albionmoonlight · 06-17-2004, 11:54 AM

Tea spilled here.	David Boston
Knute’s forward breakthrough…	Patrick Pass
Sutton quote targets.	Tony Banks
Value of a horse’s house.	Donte' Stallworth
Insert the lawn border tool.	Edgerrin James
Endless data.	Dat Nguyen
Add that pickle...	Corey Dillon
Hammer's co-star.	Na'il Diggs
Give us the razor’s edge.	Corey Chavous
Bald headed comic kid.	Travis Henry
Distant petrol...	Justin Fargas
Another runner in the night.	Duce Staley
Inside pitcher.	Quentin Jammer
Famously of San Francisco.	Tai Streets
Keepsake pics kept on a chain.	Kevin Lockett
Auction house owner.	Steve Christie
Not quite on the roof.	Jay Fiedler
The entire grooming tool.	Kelly Holcomb
Port side broom hag.	Byron Leftwich
Kid, tell me when it hurts.	Junior Seau
Gratis patella.	Dwight Freeney
Forest extremity.	Deion Branch
One from a bunch..	Tom Brady
“Best in Show” champion.	Chris Weinke
Muppetmaster kin.	Drew Henson
Transitive participle male, younger.	Ricky Manning, Jr
Unlucky day’s threadmaster.	Jason Taylor
First part of sandal brand.	Matt Birk
Many cookies...	Charlie Batch
Hued city home to World, not Land.	Orlando Brown
Twin city seminary school.	Bethel Johnson
'63 charger.	Cody Pickett
Craving for blue jeans.	Levi Jones
Filly turned five.	Olindo Mare
Sister loves rock and roll.	John Jett
A score cwt of fish...	Joey Harrington
Change from happy meal.	RW McQuarters
Lucky female cat..	Tyrone Calico
Start with Chilean catch.	Sebastian Janikowski
Fast food hair remover.	Steve McNair
Slippery coating..	Brian Griese
Grandma’s sofa.	Najeh Davenport
First car at the race’s start.	Orlando Pace
Deck from Love Boat.	Lito Sheppard
Kiss my grits, Olivier’s Nazi..	Flozell Adams
Futile chaser of desert speedster.	Marcellus Wiley
Twelve angry men, out for blood.	Joe Jurevicius
Second of S&G’s four herbs.	Sage Rosenfels
Part of a rhyming Christmas.	Doug Jolley
Girl who hits you like a truck.	Stacey Mack
Not such an old-fashioned sofa..	Tim Couch
Cured masonry..	Troy Hambrick
Part of the northland..	Onterrio Smith
Too watery for kindling..	Morlon Greenwood
Ferrari’s green model.	Vinny Testaverde
Grace's tawdry Place..	Payton Manning
Parents fans of Dickens miser.	Ebeneezer Ekuban
Bent firewood stack.	Kordell Stewart
Tolstoy epic on syrup harvest.	Warren Sapp
OJ pitchwoman Anita’s offspring.	Bryant Young
Attractive Copenhagen native.	Dane Looker
Needs wheel up front to haul.	Michael Barrow
Goliath’s clay partner.	Rohan Davey
Infernal chamber.	Dante Hall
Overlooks Muskellonge Lake.	Marcus Trufant
Before we had windows.	Mike Doss
How SS Dent’s Xmas tags read.	Tebucky Jones
Ocean bugle..	Jason Sehorn
The place to be, if green..	David Akers
Victory plus football locale.	Antoine Winfield
Does planting with a metal staff...	Rod Gardner
Rule regarding dead heats.	Ty Law
Cherry center...	Bryan Pittman
Calais sculpted subject.	Mitch Berger
Si, oui, of the man.	Jake Delhomme
Heartwarming speedskater kin.	Jon Jansen
Has two twin brothers.	Larry Tripplett
Brothers let love flow.	Jay Bellamy

This will help, then.

I still think that the differing number of dots after each clue may be a further clue to this puzzle.

Edit--the space after David Boston's line is just a function of cutting and pasting.

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 06:41 PM

digamma · 06-17-2004, 07:06 PM

Just a thought. In football, the use of ampersand's is associated with down and distance, a la 4th & inches. 1st & 10. etc.

QuikSand · 06-17-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I still think that the differing number of dots after each clue may be a further clue to this puzzle.

Me, too.

cuervo72 · 06-17-2004, 09:24 PM

I wonder if anything could be gleaned from the players' uniform numbers?

Maple Leafs · 06-17-2004, 10:34 PM

General observation: some of the puns in the list are very strong (Junio Seau = gold), others not so much. Since Quik is a clever guy who could no doubt come up with 100% winners if circumstances allowed, I'd guess that some of the names on the list had to be there to make the puzzle work. In other words, he didn't just need a player who's name started with a certain letter -- there must be more detail to it than that.

Figure out which players were "forced" into the puzzle, and you probably find the key to the rest.

Buzzbee · 06-17-2004, 11:09 PM

Some observations:

- Not very many linemen. Mostly QB's, RB's, and DB's.

- People like Orlando Pace (high number) lead me to believe that there isn't a substitution of numbers for letters (1=A, 2=B, etc.). At least not directly.

- 1, 2, or 3 periods after clues. 1st, 2nd or 3rd, down?

- Players can play for multiple teams. Could periods after clue indicate which team?

- Quik spelled out ampersand in the original puzzle. Could focusing on the "&" symbol be misleading?

- Ampersand represents "and" - Suprisingly few instances of "and" in the clues and answers. OrlANDo Pace, world not lAND. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

- Any other "this and that" phrases in football? digamma mentioned 1st and ten.

- QuikSand typed "me, too." in response to albion's elipsis observation. Why not simply "me too." Typo with the comma, or intentional?

- I've spent way too much time thinking of useless crap.

Pumpy Tudors · 06-18-2004, 01:14 AM

For the record, "me, too" is the correct way to write the phrase. If QuikSand typed it that way intentionally, I would guess that he only intended to be correct.

No ideas about most of the other stuff here.

Solecismic · 06-18-2004, 01:34 AM

Okay, I'll give this another shot, since I hate to see a promising puzzle go to waste.

There's one clue "Distant petrol... Justin Fargas"

Now the three dots after the clue, what could that mean? Since the clue only has two words, as does Fargas' name, it doesn't key a word. Nor could it refer to teams played for, as he was drafted last year by the Raiders and hasn't switched teams.

So, I'm nowhere on the dots clue, leaning toward it keying a letter in the clue or the name.

Here's a wild thought. There are 68 clues. Many notebook computers have 68 keys. Where do you put the ampersand? On top of the 7 key. But I see nothing in the clues/answers that would lead me to lay out a keyboard.

Also, do we know we have all the answers correct. Quik thought it was important that we know it was Ricky Manning, not Eli. Never did confirm Wiley, Banks, Akers, Pittman or Pickett, among those answers where the clue was not unique to NFL rosters. If both first names and last names are important, why didn't he say anything? It's unlikely we have every one of those correct, by chance. Of course, some of the clues refer only to a first name, and some refer to both.

And if they're not important, as he hinted a couple of times, that means position, birthdate, team, college attended and anything else related to the player is irrelevant. Which makes his hint that we need something else football-related hard to decipher.

In short, I think we need more to go on here. At least an indication of the form of the correct answers to the first part.

Bad-example · 06-18-2004, 02:13 AM

"So, I'm nowhere on the dots clue, leaning toward it keying a letter in the clue or the name."

My thought was that the dots might point to syllables instead of letters, but I didn't see anything there...

I readily admit I lack the grey matter to solve most of the puzzles that appear here. Helping out at least a little on this one was fun and I look forward to the larger brains taking it home.

QuikSand · 06-18-2004, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

- Not very many linemen. Mostly QB's, RB's, and DB's.

- People like Orlando Pace (high number) lead me to believe that there isn't a substitution of numbers for letters (1=A, 2=B, etc.). At least not directly.

- 1, 2, or 3 periods after clues. 1st, 2nd or 3rd, down?

- Players can play for multiple teams. Could periods after clue indicate which team?

- Quik spelled out ampersand in the original puzzle. Could focusing on the "&" symbol be misleading?

- Ampersand represents "and" - Suprisingly few instances of "and" in the clues and answers. OrlANDo Pace, world not lAND. Pure coincidence I'm sure.

- Any other "this and that" phrases in football? digamma mentioned 1st and ten.

- QuikSand typed "me, too." in response to albion's elipsis observation. Why not simply "me too." Typo with the comma, or intentional?

- I've spent way too much time thinking of useless crap.

The good news is that I can now confirm one of these observations!

The bad news is that it's the last one...

QuikSand · 06-18-2004, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

In short, I think we need more to go on here.

I agree... and apologize for the lack of a hint to help at this phase. Sliding in some clever wording in the original puzzle to act as a guide at this point would have been the way to go.

All you need to work with from here are:

-the players' last names (all of which are correct)
-the way to use the dots as a sort of "key"
-a way to identify the string of letters that results

...and from that, just one slight insight will be needed to place the ampersand.

Radii · 06-18-2004, 10:01 AM

Well.. using 1 dot to mean 1st letter of last name, 2 dots = 2nd letter, 3 dots = 3rd letter, you get the following:

BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB

That of course means nothing to me, but it one possible key.

-the players' last names (all of which are correct)
-the way to use the dots as a sort of "key"
-a way to identify the string of letters that results

This seems to hint that once we figure out what to do with the dots we still have another part of the puzzle to go to turn some string of letters into something meaningful, so I guess its possible.

What other keys could these dots represent? Syllables on the last name is out, there are some 3 dots where the last name has only two syllables.

gstelmack · 06-18-2004, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radii

What other keys could these dots represent? Syllables on the last name is out, there are some 3 dots where the last name has only two syllables.

It could mean "add that many letters to the first letter of the last name". So one dot for "Pass" would be "Q".

albionmoonlight · 06-18-2004, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

It could mean "add that many letters to the first letter of the last name". So one dot for "Pass" would be "Q".

I'm plugging that it and not getting much that makes sense to me.

Radii · 06-18-2004, 10:31 AM

Another thing I wonder is whether the dots themselves are the entire key, or if they are combined with something else(the number of words in the clue, for example). Still messing around with this, not getting anywhere.

albionmoonlight · 06-18-2004, 10:33 AM

I'm not giving up on the puzzle; I am just not coming up with anything worth posting.

I'm not as good at these as some others here--just trying to do my part when I can.

albionmoonlight · 06-18-2004, 10:35 AM

What can it mean that there are always 1 2 or 3 dots? What's something that only occurs in 1s 2s or 3s?

(*Looking for bonus points from QS for not writing 1's 2's or 3's*)

Radii · 06-18-2004, 10:37 AM

That's a good question.

Maple Leafs · 06-18-2004, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Also, do we know we have all the answers correct. Quik thought it was important that we know it was Ricky Manning, not Eli.

If this is the case, and all we need are last names, then the "Jr." must be important, yes?

(Or Quik just wanted us to see why the clue worked.)

Maple Leafs · 06-18-2004, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gstelmack

It could mean "add that many letters to the first letter of the last name". So one dot for "Pass" would be "Q".

Or one dot could also mean "P" (i.e. one dot is use the letter, two dots is use the next letter, etc.)

Anyone want to list out those strings and see if they look like something that looks like it could by crypto'd?

Radii · 06-18-2004, 11:23 AM

using 1 dot to mean 1st letter of last name, 2 dots = 2nd letter, 3 dots = 3rd letter, you get the following:

BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB

using 1 dot = 1st leter of last name, 2 dot = 1st letter + 1, 3 dot = 1st letter + 2, you get:

BRBSJNFDCHHSJSLCFHLSFBDWHMTBDBJPJMJJMDJMHDPSBWJRJMDITHTNESSYLBDHTDJTBWILRBDJTB

That should be pretty similar to the first string, with so many 1 dots. I wouldn't know what to do with either of these if they're right.

edit: left out the first letter in the second string, damn david boston.

QuikSand · 06-18-2004, 11:35 AM

You're making enough progress... I don't think you need another hint quite yet.

QuikSand · 06-18-2004, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a wise voice from above

using 1 dot to mean 1st letter of last name, 2 dots = 2nd letter, 3 dots = 3rd letter, you get the following:

BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB

Yup.

Bad-example · 06-18-2004, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

All you need to work with from here are:

-the players' last names (all of which are correct)
-the way to use the dots as a sort of "key"
-a way to identify the string of letters that results

...and from that, just one slight insight will be needed to place the ampersand.

BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB

ahbrady · 06-19-2004, 12:27 AM

I have been looking at these letters for a long time now, and it's driving me nuts. I freely admit that I'm not one of the swiftest minds on here, and I haven't been of use on any of these puzzles, but I usually don't try them for nearly as long as I have on this one. It is starting to bother me that I can't get it, but I think I'm going to have to go to bed. Part of me hopes that it will be solved when I wake up, but another part of me hopes it isn't so I can have another crack at it.

QuikSand · 06-19-2004, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

And the remaining key to the puzzle is indeed football-related.

Just in case this was missed...

ahbrady · 06-19-2004, 01:06 AM

Thanks for trying to help, but I think it's wasted on me. I don't want you to think I'm asking for a hint, there are many on this board that don't need one I'm sure, I'm just venting about my lack of brainpower.

Solecismic · 06-19-2004, 01:37 AM

Got it. PMing Quik.

Pumpy Tudors · 06-19-2004, 08:11 AM

Got it here too. PMing Quik.

QuikSand · 06-19-2004, 08:45 AM

Well done, both of you.

gstelmack · 06-19-2004, 09:12 AM

And you're not going to tell the rest of us? Help!

ahbrady · 06-19-2004, 10:15 AM

I give up.

Pumpy Tudors · 06-19-2004, 12:03 PM

Well, it's related to football. I don't know what else to say as a hint.

gstelmack · 06-19-2004, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Well, it's related to football. I don't know what else to say as a hint.

Ah, I think I see it now. Just had to look closer. PM off to Quik.

ahbrady · 06-19-2004, 09:12 PM

I finally have it. It took me long enough. PM to Quik.

digamma · 06-20-2004, 10:18 AM

Nice puzzle. Finally got it.

cuervo72 · 06-20-2004, 09:24 PM

Oh, wait a minute...I think I finally got it now that I actually looked at the letters closely. Either that or it's a hell of a coincidence

06-16-2004, 10:06 PM	#301
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	David Boston Patrick Pass Tony Banks Donte' Stallworth Edgerrin James Dat Nguyen Corey Dillon Na'il Diggs Corey Chavous Travis Henry Justin Fargas Duce Staley Quentin Jammer Tai Streets Kevin Lockett Steve Christie Jay Fiedler Kelly Holcomb Byron Leftwich Junior Seau Dwight Freeney Deion Branch Tom Brady Chris Weinke Drew Henson Ricky Manning, Jr Jason Taylor Matt Birk Charlie Batch Orlando Brown Bethel Johnson Cody Pickett Levi Jones Olindo Mare John Jett Joey Harrington RW McQuarters Tyrone Calico Sebastian Janikowski Steve McNair Brian Griese Najeh Davenport Orlando Pace Lito Sheppard Flozell Adams Marcellus Wiley Joe Jurevicius Sage Rosenfels Doug Jolley Stacey Mack Tim Couch Troy Hambrick Onterrio Smith Morlon Greenwood Vinny Testaverde Payton Manning Ebeneezer Ekuban Kordell Stewart Warren Sapp Bryant Young Dane Looker Michael Barrow Rohan Davey Dante Hall Marcus Trufant Mike Doss Tebucky Jones Jason Sehorn David Akers Antoine Winfield Rod Gardner Ty Law Bryan Pittman Mitch Berger Jake Delhomme Jon Jansen Larry Tripplett Jay Bellamy __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-16-2004, 10:09 PM	#302
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	David Boston Patrick Pass Tony Banks Donte' Stallworth Edgerrin James Dat Nguyen Corey Dillon Na'il Diggs Corey Chavous Travis Henry Justin Fargas Duce Staley Quentin Jammer Tai Streets Kevin Lockett Steve Christie Jay Fiedler Kelly Holcomb Byron Leftwich Junior Seau Dwight Freeney Deion Branch Tom Brady Chris Weinke Drew Henson Ricky Manning, Jr Jason Taylor Matt Birk Charlie Batch Orlando Brown Bethel Johnson Cody Pickett Levi Jones Olindo Mare John Jett Joey Harrington RW McQuarters Tyrone Calico Sebastian Janikowski Steve McNair Brian Griese Najeh Davenport Orlando Pace Lito Sheppard Flozell Adams Marcellus Wiley Joe Jurevicius Sage Rosenfels Doug Jolley Stacey Mack Tim Couch Troy Hambrick Onterrio Smith Morlon Greenwood Vinny Testaverde Payton Manning Ebeneezer Ekuban Kordell Stewart Warren Sapp Bryant Young Dane Looker Michael Barrow Rohan Davey Dante Hall Marcus Trufant Mike Doss Tebucky Jones Jason Sehorn David Akers Antoine Winfield Rod Gardner Ty Law Bryan Pittman Mitch Berger Jake Delhomme Jon Jansen Larry Tripplett Jay Bellamy __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-16-2004, 10:38 PM	#303
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Miami Dolphins New England Patriots Houston Texans New Orleans Saints Indianapolis Colts Dallas Cowboys New England Patriots Green Bay Packers Minnesota Vikings Buffalo Bills Oakland Raiders Pittsburgh Steelers San Diego Chargers Detroit Lions New York Jets San Diego Chargers Miami Dolphins Cleveland Browns Jacksonville Jaguars Miami Dolphins Indianpolis Colts New England Patriots New England Patriots Carolina Panthers Dallas Cowboys Carolina Panthers Miami Dolphins Minnesota Vikings Piottsburgh Steelers Baltimore Ravens New England Patriots San Francisco 49ers Cincinnati Bengals Miami Dolphins Detroit Lions Detroit Lions Chicago Bears Tennessee Titans Oakland Raiders Tennessee Titans Miami Dolphins Green Bay Packers St Louis Rams Philadelphia Eagles Dallas Cowboys Dallas Cowboys Tampa Bay Buccaneers Miami Dolphins Oakland Raiders Houston Texans Cleveland Browns/Green Bay Packers Cleveland Browns Minnesota Vikings Miami Dolphins Dallas Cowboys Indianapolis Colts Cleveland Browns Baltimore Ravens Oakland Raiders San Francisco 49ers St Loius Rams Washington Redskins New England Patriots Kansas City Chiefs Seattle Seahwks Indianapolis Colts New Orleans Saints St Loius Rams Philadelphia Eagles Minnesota Vikings Washington Redskins New England Patriots Houston Texans New Orleans Saints Carolina Panthers Washington Redskins Indianapolis Colts New Orleans Saints __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-17-2004, 12:03 AM	#304
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	No love for the Falcons. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

06-17-2004, 12:04 AM	#305
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I went through and was listing each player by position, but then the system belched and I lost the info. I'll get around to doing it again at some point, unless one of you other guys wants to do it. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-17-2004, 08:25 AM	#309
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Seemed to work for Jim's puzzle too. 111,112,113,114 Reminds me of football practice...one, two, three, ONE; one, two, three, TWO; one, two, three, THREE! __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

06-17-2004, 09:26 AM	#310
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Not to be lost--lots of references to cooking in the description: concocted, recipie, boil. Some one noted that before, but I wanted to bring it back up because I am sure that it will be relevant.

06-17-2004, 11:05 AM	#312
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Just in case this needs a hint - the list of answers (that has been created above) is not as helpful to you as the complete list of original clues and answers. And the remaining key to the puzzle is indeed football-related.

06-17-2004, 06:41 PM	#314
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	bump __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

06-17-2004, 07:06 PM	#315
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Just a thought. In football, the use of ampersand's is associated with down and distance, a la 4th & inches. 1st & 10. etc.

06-17-2004, 09:24 PM	#317
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I wonder if anything could be gleaned from the players' uniform numbers? __________________ null

06-17-2004, 10:34 PM	#318
Maple Leafs Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002	General observation: some of the puns in the list are very strong (Junio Seau = gold), others not so much. Since Quik is a clever guy who could no doubt come up with 100% winners if circumstances allowed, I'd guess that some of the names on the list had to be there to make the puzzle work. In other words, he didn't just need a player who's name started with a certain letter -- there must be more detail to it than that. Figure out which players were "forced" into the puzzle, and you probably find the key to the rest. __________________ Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis

06-17-2004, 11:09 PM	#319
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Some observations: - Not very many linemen. Mostly QB's, RB's, and DB's. - People like Orlando Pace (high number) lead me to believe that there isn't a substitution of numbers for letters (1=A, 2=B, etc.). At least not directly. - 1, 2, or 3 periods after clues. 1st, 2nd or 3rd, down? - Players can play for multiple teams. Could periods after clue indicate which team? - Quik spelled out ampersand in the original puzzle. Could focusing on the "&" symbol be misleading? - Ampersand represents "and" - Suprisingly few instances of "and" in the clues and answers. OrlANDo Pace, world not lAND. Pure coincidence I'm sure. - Any other "this and that" phrases in football? digamma mentioned 1st and ten. - QuikSand typed "me, too." in response to albion's elipsis observation. Why not simply "me too." Typo with the comma, or intentional? - I've spent way too much time thinking of useless crap. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

06-18-2004, 01:14 AM	#320
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	For the record, "me, too" is the correct way to write the phrase. If QuikSand typed it that way intentionally, I would guess that he only intended to be correct. No ideas about most of the other stuff here. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

06-18-2004, 01:34 AM	#321
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Okay, I'll give this another shot, since I hate to see a promising puzzle go to waste. There's one clue "Distant petrol... Justin Fargas" Now the three dots after the clue, what could that mean? Since the clue only has two words, as does Fargas' name, it doesn't key a word. Nor could it refer to teams played for, as he was drafted last year by the Raiders and hasn't switched teams. So, I'm nowhere on the dots clue, leaning toward it keying a letter in the clue or the name. Here's a wild thought. There are 68 clues. Many notebook computers have 68 keys. Where do you put the ampersand? On top of the 7 key. But I see nothing in the clues/answers that would lead me to lay out a keyboard. Also, do we know we have all the answers correct. Quik thought it was important that we know it was Ricky Manning, not Eli. Never did confirm Wiley, Banks, Akers, Pittman or Pickett, among those answers where the clue was not unique to NFL rosters. If both first names and last names are important, why didn't he say anything? It's unlikely we have every one of those correct, by chance. Of course, some of the clues refer only to a first name, and some refer to both. And if they're not important, as he hinted a couple of times, that means position, birthdate, team, college attended and anything else related to the player is irrelevant. Which makes his hint that we need something else football-related hard to decipher. In short, I think we need more to go on here. At least an indication of the form of the correct answers to the first part. Last edited by Solecismic : 06-18-2004 at 01:35 AM.

06-18-2004, 02:13 AM	#322
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	"So, I'm nowhere on the dots clue, leaning toward it keying a letter in the clue or the name." My thought was that the dots might point to syllables instead of letters, but I didn't see anything there... I readily admit I lack the grey matter to solve most of the puzzles that appear here. Helping out at least a little on this one was fun and I look forward to the larger brains taking it home. __________________ Karaoke Katie drove the crowd wild Every time she'd sing they'd come in for miles Curtain came up, Katie came on Drinking like a lumberjack and singing Delta Dawn

06-18-2004, 10:01 AM	#325
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Well.. using 1 dot to mean 1st letter of last name, 2 dots = 2nd letter, 3 dots = 3rd letter, you get the following: BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB That of course means nothing to me, but it one possible key. -the players' last names (all of which are correct) -the way to use the dots as a sort of "key" -a way to identify the string of letters that results This seems to hint that once we figure out what to do with the dots we still have another part of the puzzle to go to turn some string of letters into something meaningful, so I guess its possible. What other keys could these dots represent? Syllables on the last name is out, there are some 3 dots where the last name has only two syllables.

06-18-2004, 10:31 AM	#328
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Another thing I wonder is whether the dots themselves are the entire key, or if they are combined with something else(the number of words in the clue, for example). Still messing around with this, not getting anywhere.

06-18-2004, 10:33 AM	#329
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I'm not giving up on the puzzle; I am just not coming up with anything worth posting. I'm not as good at these as some others here--just trying to do my part when I can.

06-18-2004, 10:35 AM	#330
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	What can it mean that there are always 1 2 or 3 dots? What's something that only occurs in 1s 2s or 3s? (Looking for bonus points from QS for not writing 1's 2's or 3's)

06-18-2004, 10:37 AM	#331
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That's a good question.

06-18-2004, 11:23 AM	#334
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	using 1 dot to mean 1st letter of last name, 2 dots = 2nd letter, 3 dots = 3rd letter, you get the following: BSBSJNLDCHRSJSLCFHLSFBRWHMTBTBJPJMJRMAJMRDPSDWJRJMOAMRTAESSYLBDHTDJEKWRLTBDJTB using 1 dot = 1st leter of last name, 2 dot = 1st letter + 1, 3 dot = 1st letter + 2, you get: BRBSJNFDCHHSJSLCFHLSFBDWHMTBDBJPJMJJMDJMHDPSBWJRJMDITHTNESSYLBDHTDJTBWILRBDJTB That should be pretty similar to the first string, with so many 1 dots. I wouldn't know what to do with either of these if they're right. edit: left out the first letter in the second string, damn david boston. Last edited by Radii : 06-18-2004 at 11:24 AM.

06-18-2004, 11:35 AM	#335
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	You're making enough progress... I don't think you need another hint quite yet.

06-19-2004, 12:27 AM	#338
ahbrady High School JV Join Date: Apr 2002	I have been looking at these letters for a long time now, and it's driving me nuts. I freely admit that I'm not one of the swiftest minds on here, and I haven't been of use on any of these puzzles, but I usually don't try them for nearly as long as I have on this one. It is starting to bother me that I can't get it, but I think I'm going to have to go to bed. Part of me hopes that it will be solved when I wake up, but another part of me hopes it isn't so I can have another crack at it.

06-19-2004, 01:06 AM	#340
ahbrady High School JV Join Date: Apr 2002	Thanks for trying to help, but I think it's wasted on me. I don't want you to think I'm asking for a hint, there are many on this board that don't need one I'm sure, I'm just venting about my lack of brainpower.

06-19-2004, 01:37 AM	#341
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Got it. PMing Quik.

06-19-2004, 08:11 AM	#342
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Got it here too. PMing Quik. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

06-19-2004, 08:45 AM	#343
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well done, both of you.

06-19-2004, 09:12 AM	#344
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	And you're not going to tell the rest of us? Help! __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

06-19-2004, 10:15 AM	#345
ahbrady High School JV Join Date: Apr 2002	I give up.

06-19-2004, 12:03 PM	#346
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Well, it's related to football. I don't know what else to say as a hint. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

06-19-2004, 09:12 PM	#348
ahbrady High School JV Join Date: Apr 2002	I finally have it. It took me long enough. PM to Quik.

06-20-2004, 10:18 AM	#349
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Nice puzzle. Finally got it.

06-20-2004, 09:24 PM	#350
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Oh, wait a minute...I think I finally got it now that I actually looked at the letters closely. Either that or it's a hell of a coincidence __________________ null

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