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Old 11-06-2003, 10:17 AM   #51
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Anyone test out the print feature yet?

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Old 11-06-2003, 12:06 PM   #52
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In the 'SI Network game' thread on sigames.com General Questions forum there are various league tables posted from the html printout option ... beyond that, yes (obviously ) .... but I'm somewhat biased ...
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:09 PM   #53
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oh, I figured it was "tested"...I was curious what people thought about it, and hoping for someone to post some of the printouts.

And I still refuse to to go to a forum where I don't understand the insults being thrown at me.
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:15 PM   #54
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And I still refuse to to go to a forum where I don't understand the insults being thrown at me.

LOL

(it can be a tad rough over there, for heavens sake don't go into 'Off Topic' without a bodyguard )
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Old 11-06-2003, 12:59 PM   #55
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sample squad screen print out

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12th in English Premier Division Squad Screen | Pkd | Inf | Name | Position(s) | Form | Morale | Cond. | Apps | Av R | Value | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | FC | | Baros, M | S C | 7-7-7-7-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £6.75M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | DC | | Biscan, I | D/DM C | 8-7-7-7-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £4.3M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | DR | Wnt | Carragher, J | D/DM RLC | 6-9-6-5-7 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £3.6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | Wnt | Cheyrou, B | AM C | 7-7-6 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £3.7M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | FC | | Defoe, J | S C | 7-6-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £8.5M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | MC | | Diao, S | DM C | 8-7-7-8-6 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £3.6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB7 | | Diouf, E | F RC | 6-7-7-7-8 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £7.25M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | GK | | Dudek, J | GK | 8-7-7-7-8 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £4.1M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB5 | | Finnan, S | D/DM R | 5-8-7-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £2.6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | MC | | Gerrard, S | DM RC | 6-7-8-8-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £12.75M| | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | Inj | Hamann, D | DM C | | Okay | 33% | - | ---- | £7.25M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB8 | | Henchoz, S | D C | 8-7-7-7-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £1.8M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB10 | Wnt | Heskey, E* | S C | 7-6-7-6 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | DC | Inj | Hyypiä, S* | D C | 7-9-6-5 | Okay | 74% | - | ---- | £3.4M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | ML | | Kewell, H | AM LC | 7-8-8-9 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £7.75M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB1 | | Kirkland, C | GK | 6-6 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £1.7M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB3 | Wnt | Le Tallec, A | AM/F C | 7-7-7-7-8 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £2.4M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | Medjani, C | SW/D C | 6-6-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £180K | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB12 | Wnt | Murphy, D | AM RLC | 6-7-5-7 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB4 | | Owen, M* | S C | 6-9-8-7 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £18.75M| | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | Raven, D | D C | 8-6 | Okay | 98% | - | ---- | £85K | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | DL | Wnt | Riise, J | D/M L | 7-9-9-8 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £5M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB6 | | Sinama-Pongolle, F | S C | 7-7-7-7-6 | Okay | 99% | - | ---- | £1.8M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | MR | | Smicer, V | AM RLC | 7-8-7-7-7 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £2.6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB11 | Sus | Traoré, D | D LC | 7-5-8-7 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £1.6M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | Wallwork, R | D/DM C | | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £1.9M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB9 | Wnt | Welsh, J | DM RC | 7-6-7 | Good | 100% | - | ---- | £1M | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | SB2 | | Whitbread, Z | D C | 6 | Okay | 100% | - | ---- | £85K | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:01 PM   #56
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sample table print out

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Holders - Man Utd | Pos | Inf | Team | | Pld | Won | Drn | Lst | For | Ag | Won | Drn | Lst | For | Ag | G.D.| Pts | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 1st | | Arsenal | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 2nd | | Aston Villa | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 3rd | | Birmingham | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 4th | | Blackburn | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 5th | | Bolton | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 6th | | Charlton | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 7th | | Chelsea | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 8th | | Everton | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 9th | | Fulham | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 10th| | Leeds | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 11th| | Leicester | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 12th| | Liverpool | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 13th| | Man City | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 14th| | Man Utd | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 15th| | Middlesbrough | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 16th| | Newcastle | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 17th| | Portsmouth | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 18th| | Southampton | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 19th| | Tottenham | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 20th| | Wolves | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:04 PM   #57
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individual player

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Striker (Centre), English (50 caps/22 goals), Age 23 | | Apps | Gls | Asts | MoM | Yel | Red | Tck | Pass | Sh Tar | Fouls| Fls Ag | Av R | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Non Competitive | 3 (1)| 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.11 | 76 % | 66 % | 5 | - | 7.50 | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | League | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ---- | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Cup | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ---- | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Continental | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ---- | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | International | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ---- | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Overall | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ---- | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

the only thing missing here is the player's name. The file is saved as Michael Owen, but it would be nice to have the name somewhere in the printout.
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:11 PM   #58
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thanks klayman!
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:14 PM   #59
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here's an html printout of the player's form screen (which is an awesomely amazing inclusion!!!). I don't have anywhere to host it, so you'll just have to download the screen capture.

Edit: made the screen shot a little smaller
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Old 11-06-2003, 01:16 PM   #60
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no problem
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Old 11-06-2003, 04:27 PM   #61
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It's probably just a matter of learning the lingo. I'm going to spend some time with it tonight at home.
It very much is. Them people on that there island . . . they just don't talk English right!

I seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY recommend having Marc Vaughan's guide handy. (Really, I recommend it.) It does a really good job of breaking the games and ratings down to a slightly simpler version for the soccer-challenged (like us!). As you play the game more and you get more accustomed to it, you pick up the various nuances beyond just the obvious (defender . . . tackle, good) if you choose to and you can move along to doing other things. But it allows you to at least get started playing in the game and not be banging your head against a wall because of the strange way they talk (pace? technical? feh!) over that pond about this weird game (huh? no hands? funky.).

Don't hesitate to use a "stock" formation, either. I used the stock 4-4-2 diamond for a long time with Rushden with solid success. (That was in CM 01/02 but I don't expect SI to have fubar'ed it up in the meantime.)

ALL of that said, if you give it an honest try and really don't like it, don't sweat it. Not every game is for everybody. Ben, for one, I know don't care for it even though I think he appreciates the concepts. In my opinion, it's worth the "work" in getting used to, though (if you can stomach the game).
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Old 11-06-2003, 05:02 PM   #62
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I definitely am going to give it a try. Everyone on this board has raved about it for a long time. Just curious, where can i find the guide you discussed? Thanks for the help.
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Old 11-06-2003, 05:22 PM   #63
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Wasabiak, as 99% of spanish, i am a soccer fan since i was a kid. I'm also a fan of the CM series since the first version so if you need any help with anything related to tactics/rattings explanations, etc just open a thread and i will be more than happy to help you, i have learned a lot about usa football here, it's my time to pay back the community
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Old 11-06-2003, 05:30 PM   #64
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I definitely am going to give it a try. Everyone on this board has raved about it for a long time. Just curious, where can i find the guide you discussed? Thanks for the help.


Here it is. Am I allowed to post it here? If not, I'll delete it and find the link to it at SI. I downloaded it from SI when I downloaded the CM4 demo...

Just downloaded the demo for CM03/04, will try that over the weekend...

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Old 11-06-2003, 06:04 PM   #65
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CM is ungodly addictive.....fantastically engrossing and a good way to lose a relationship or spend time getting over one. Now that I am married its finally safe to play.
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Old 11-06-2003, 07:06 PM   #66
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Thank you's!!!
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Old 11-06-2003, 08:22 PM   #67
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Am I allowed to post it here? If not, I'll delete it and find the link to it at SI. I downloaded it from SI when I downloaded the CM4 demo...
Just say one of the moderators of FOFC said you could.
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Old 11-06-2003, 09:15 PM   #68
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yeah, that cool, laid back moderator of the HT forum... HornedFrog Purple they call him

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Old 11-06-2003, 11:31 PM   #69
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Well if SI wants to sue, they will have to get in line behind TroyF. Good luck with that.
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Old 11-07-2003, 04:03 AM   #70
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Have fun with the demo guys, you'll see that this game is really better than CM4.

Now going to continue my 5th season with the Beta (That's why I like being a researcher)

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Old 11-07-2003, 04:57 AM   #71
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Wink

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Have fun with the demo guys, you'll see that this game is really better than CM4.

Now going to continue my 5th season with the Beta (That's why I like being a researcher)


Lucky bastard, i hope you will burn your processor today
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:21 AM   #72
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Just so you chaps know now things have calmed down a tad on the development front, I'll be trying to update my hints and tips for CM03-04 ... I'll post here when I've done it and they're in a vaguely legible form

PS. The hints and tips are freely available and anyone can do pretty much anything he likes with them, I make them to help people enjoy the game - the more people who can do that, the better imho ...
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:24 AM   #73
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BreizhManu - How's your team doing? - Stevenage have just reached the heady heights of the 2nd Division in my current game

Only 3 seasons in, removal of the MLS league destroyed my long-term 9 season game ..... I'd just got them into the Premiership as well ...

PS. For once I'm not playing as Brighton 'cos we're too far up the pyramid at the moment to be a really big challenge ....
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Old 11-07-2003, 05:57 AM   #74
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BreizhManu - How's your team doing? - Stevenage have just reached the heady heights of the 2nd Division in my current game


Pau

2003-2004 : winner of National, promoted to L2
2004-2005 : 7th in L2
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Old 11-07-2003, 11:11 AM   #75
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congrats on what appears to be a very fine game. I ran through a few months of the demo last night, and really felt like this was the game I was expecting with CM4 but never really got. The improvements are subtle and across many different areas, but they all seemed to improve the immersiveness of the simulation. I particularly thought that the transfer market seemed more realistic, the training was a huge step up (previously was a complete mystery), and midfielders now score on occasion. Yes, it's another $30, but I have more than a little sympathy that this stuff isn't the easiest thing to do well every time.
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Old 11-07-2003, 11:23 AM   #76
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Just so you chaps know now things have calmed down a tad on the development front, I'll be trying to update my hints and tips for CM03-04 ... I'll post here when I've done it and they're in a vaguely legible form

PS. The hints and tips are freely available and anyone can do pretty much anything he likes with them, I make them to help people enjoy the game - the more people who can do that, the better imho ...


With the MLS removed was it replaced by a generic US league?

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Old 11-07-2003, 01:02 PM   #77
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I'm pretty sure it hasn't, mckerney.

Also, for those like me who are trying to learn about soccer, this might be helpful. It's called the Ultimate League guide, and while it's a bit out of date (it says something about CM 01/02 on there), it still has a lot of information regarding the different countries, such as what kind of tournaments they hold, how promotion and relgation work, how many teams from each country qualify for continental play, etc. It's really long (70 pages, I think), and I haven't read it all, but I have it as a reference if I'm curious about something.

http://www.sigames.com/downloads_view.php?id=268
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Old 11-07-2003, 02:22 PM   #78
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Very nice demo! I've been every year DLing the demo, but never actually getting the CM (mainly because it is across the ocean and, secondly, by the time it comes out, I'm in the middle of school and have little time for games). I think I'll definetly order CM 03/04 though. It really looks amazing so far.

Hopefully when SI makes their own game without Eidos, it'll actually make an appearance on US shelves.
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Old 11-07-2003, 03:11 PM   #79
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I'm sure that someone will come out with an unofficial add-on that replaces a minor European country with the MLS.

But that being said, it will keep the same rules of the original league, and not be an exact replica of the MLS.
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Old 11-08-2003, 09:55 AM   #80
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What are the system requirements? I cannot get the demo to run on my computer. It is weird, because it seems like it loads, the white Eidos comes up, then it just stops loading. It stays on a black screen. I never had any problems with the other demos of games from SI
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Old 11-08-2003, 11:05 AM   #81
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What are the system requirements? I cannot get the demo to run on my computer. It is weird, because it seems like it loads, the white Eidos comes up, then it just stops loading. It stays on a black screen. I never had any problems with the other demos of games from SI


I had this problem as well, so hopefully what fixed it for me will work for you too.

Apparently the demo gets confused when it's looking for the CM DATA folder if you've got a folder called DATA further up. I had a c:\DATA folder (the Lahman files for OOTP), so the demo was looking in there for the CM data and was hanging. Once I renamed that file it worked, and it's a great improvement over CM4. No more pausing when changing screens and the like.
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Old 11-08-2003, 11:59 AM   #82
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I can actually see, and click on, the real players from the US National team. They don't seem to have a team listed for them however, as expected.


Well now, this is an interesting kettle of fish.

We had thought before there would be a problem with the copyright of the US players that caused Eidos to yank the MLS league from CM4.

But if the USA squad players are there, then it points to a problem with MLS.

Probably something to do with EA Sports and their FIFA series, and I won't ask Marc or Francis Cole to respond to my wild speculation. If we see the players of MLS, assigned to no league, then we know it had something to do with the teams and the like.
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Old 11-08-2003, 12:26 PM   #83
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But if the USA squad players are there, then it points to a problem with MLS.

That it is. However, there are SOME real players from the US National Team. There are plenty of fictional players on the US National team as well. The only real players I've seen are those that play for European teams.
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:14 PM   #84
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Only MLS players were affected by Eidos's decision - not simply 'all' American players.
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Old 11-08-2003, 01:17 PM   #85
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Thanks Marc.

Guess it's a problem with MLS or it's Players Union.
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Old 11-08-2003, 02:48 PM   #86
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Is there a discounted price for this version? I know with the first version, in Canadian pesos and shipping across the Atlantic, it cost around $75.

I won't be buying all of FOF2004, TPF, EHM:FE and CM03/04 so I'm still debating...
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Old 11-08-2003, 04:13 PM   #87
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Karim, the game is available from www.gameplay.com at £24.99, plus £4.95 for shipping to Canada, which works out to 66.32 Canadian dollars...

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Old 11-08-2003, 05:01 PM   #88
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Thanks, FrogMan.
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Old 11-08-2003, 05:04 PM   #89
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dola,

I just noticed the recommended age for CM03/04 at gameplay.com is 3 years and above... Can a 3 year-old really appreciate a text sim of this magnitude?
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Old 11-08-2003, 05:05 PM   #90
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no problem, but I found one weird thing. That 24.99 price seems to be only when you come right from the ad on the SI boards. If you go to gameplay directly, then find CM03/04, the price is 26.99... not a big deal, simply different...

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